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in: PG; PG > 2007-06-03

Jun 3, 2007 9:15 PM # 
Kat:
That sounds like an excellent time out in the woods! Can you put the map up online?
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Jun 3, 2007 9:31 PM # 
BorisGr:
Nice work, Peter! Good to see you back in action.
Jun 3, 2007 9:31 PM # 
PG:
Here it is.
Jun 3, 2007 9:32 PM # 
BorisGr:
I see they made you copy the map on time again.... I guess some things never change.
Jun 3, 2007 9:34 PM # 
PG:
Well, it's either keep trying or fade away. "Fade away" will come soon enough, got to keep trying as long as possible. Nice when it actually produces something positive.
Jun 3, 2007 9:38 PM # 
PG:
No, this is the new NEOC, copied off the clock (I'm just lazy/sloppy with my drawing, I was doing it upside down because someone else was copying at the same time and I didn't feel like waiting), plus e-punching! First time ever for that for the club today.

The map, of course was pretty much the same old black and white made from the USGS I ran on in the 70s, just made a little more colorful. Lots of little problems. And 13 was on the wrong cliff, too high up. Happened to see it on my way down the hill.
Jun 3, 2007 9:42 PM # 
BorisGr:
Still, this is progress! About a year ago I ranted on my log about the copying on time and other weirdnesses NEOC showcased at the Nobscot event then. Glad to see the club moving forward.
Jun 3, 2007 10:06 PM # 
Samantha:
I thought 13 seemed like it was in the wrong spot. I was going down the hill, glaced over to my left and was surprised to see it so soon.
Jun 3, 2007 10:23 PM # 
bshields:
I find it somewhat ironic that there was e-punching, yet we had to copy our maps... from a pre-printed master map.
Jun 3, 2007 10:43 PM # 
dness:
13 seemed to be at the upper of a cliff pair that wasn't mapped (or not mapped well)

I did admit I was surprised to see Peter posting such a good time. Well done!
Jun 4, 2007 4:09 PM # 
coach:
I had a good run, and Peter still beat me, espcially on the run in! I think not training or eating must be the key.....
I have to say I do not mind copying on or off time (certainly copying off time allows lots of route planning, which I do not want to do since I want to simulate A meet starts) and I don't like the idea of pre printing maps, it is sure to lead to waste.
Best of all would be printing a map for each competitor at the start.
Jun 4, 2007 4:13 PM # 
BorisGr:
We've had this debate before, but I suppose I'll make my points again:
It's up to you if you want to simulate A meet starts. You don't have to look at the map ahead of time if you don't want to! And anyway, at what A-meets does map copying time go into your final result???
And pre-printing maps won't lead to much waste at all if you use prior meet results (which NEOC should have like 30 years' worth) to estimate the number of people you expect to show up in each class.
Jun 4, 2007 4:43 PM # 
jjcote:
Using old NEOC meet results is bound to result in too many maps, because NEOC isn't what it used to be. :-) And you have to overestimate, because it's worse to run out of maps than it it to have leftovers.

Copying off the clock is fine. People who want to simulate an A-meet (like me) can intentionally not look at route choices before the start. People who are relatively new to this can take a few minutes and make sure there isn't anything that they don't understand about the map. The disparity isn't that important at a local meet. At any meet where it is important, the maps should be preprinted. Copying on the clock is barbaric, and should be left to adventure races.
Jun 4, 2007 4:51 PM # 
evancuster:
My jaw almost dropped to the floor when I read that people still copied their maps from master maps, and this from the heart of O land in the US. Maybe I'm naive, but BAOC converted its last map into OCAD about 4 or 5 years ago, and using Condes, have had pre-printed maps for every event since then, and have been using them for at least 10 years I think. I don't think half of our club members would know what to do if we gave them a blank map and told them to copy from a master map. To me, the advantages of a pre-printed map are so numerous that I can't imagine going back to copying from a master map. The map can be updated before every event, the circle is correctly positioned over the control, one avoids either having to copy madly on the clock or allowing people to preplan their routes off the clock, etc. As far as map wastage goes, I agree with Boris. Using attendance at previous events, weather forecasts, and event publicity, one can make a very good guess at the number of maps necessary. Printing the map only costs about $0.30 with an ink jet printer, so even if you have 20 extra maps or so, you've only spent an extra $6, or about 1 entry fee.
Jun 4, 2007 5:39 PM # 
Masai Warrior:
Why hunt the lion, with the spear? Feed him master-mapping barbarian instead, much better and tasty.
Jun 4, 2007 7:16 PM # 
barb:
Masai Warrior, are you available for a drink tonight? I am looking for something to do with my shoes.
Jun 4, 2007 8:05 PM # 
PG:
Look, I have some inside information about Masai Warrior -- let's just say that when I suggested he had gone back to the looney bin, it was said, by a person who should know, that he had never left the looney bin.

Getting together with MW, with a certain interested Ms. K not that far away, might be inadvisable.
Jun 4, 2007 8:43 PM # 
feet:
Was there ever any doubt who Masai Warrior was? I mean, really. At least he's learned to get a new account rather than change his username this time.
Jun 4, 2007 8:47 PM # 
BorisGr:
Where has all the Warrior's training gone?
Jun 4, 2007 8:51 PM # 
walk:
Perhaps Ms K should MW back under control, or feed him/her/it to one of them lions.
Jun 4, 2007 8:58 PM # 
kissy:
Ms K has no control over MW. Does anyone?
Jun 4, 2007 9:28 PM # 
barb:
Oh. Well, a real MW would have been quite interesting, but we probably would not have had a lot in common. In fact, I'd much much rather have a drink with the lovely Ms K herself.
Jun 4, 2007 11:23 PM # 
cmorse:
perhaps MW did an endo on his super secret mountain bike rendering all previous trainings meaningless....
Jun 4, 2007 11:33 PM # 
Yukon King:
hmmm, yes, I've been very saddened by the loss of SF's immortal Halloween Story & other beautiful things on AP, but did prick up my ears at the mention of nailanga as a yummy source of protein, tho...
Jun 5, 2007 2:21 PM # 
piutepro:
I need my fellow poet of the daily planet absurdity back. Trite notes like "usual loop, usual weather, usual thoughts" do not make my day brighter as MW/SF's musings do. He is playing a game here, testing his popularity by pulling a Salinger.
Jun 6, 2007 7:30 PM # 
Wyatt:
So here's the discussion on the delete-key...

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