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Discussion: Results

in: 2013 U.S. Individual Championships/Team Trials (May 10–12, 2013 - Queensbury, NY, US)

May 10, 2013 9:18 PM # 
For those of us far away but waiting eagerly to hear something of results, anyone there with a smartphone that can give a quick result list from M/F21? I have to go to bed, but dying to know how it all went!
May 10, 2013 10:04 PM # 
same here!
May 10, 2013 10:07 PM # 
Ali C for sure. Sorry can't remember M21 US (since visiting OKer Ulrik crushed everyone else in M21 :)
May 10, 2013 10:15 PM # 
Fabulous day of orienteering! Nice woods, good courses, fabulous technology, drop dad gorgeous finish arena. Nice work organizers - super fun day one.
May 10, 2013 10:15 PM # 
Pink Socks:
since visiting OKer Ulrik crushed everyone else in M21

Since I wasn't able to crush the field myself, I'm glad someone else from my club was able to win wearing the pink chex!
May 10, 2013 10:49 PM # 
As I recall, the US results from M/F21:

1st: Ross Smith (not US official because of Swedish champs)
2nd: Ethan Childs (US Champ)
3rd: Eddie Bergeron
4th: Eric Bone, Erin Schirm

1st: Ali Crocker
2nd: Hannah Burgess
3rd: Alex Jospe
May 10, 2013 11:37 PM # 
Why would Ross Smith not be US official? Too scruffy?

How good is Ulrik the Slayer?
May 11, 2013 3:15 AM # 
Ross wants to run in the Swedish champs and they won't allow him to run in any other nation's champs too the same year. So he's N/C US Champs but eligible for team trials.


has lists by class and course.
May 11, 2013 3:16 AM # 
And of course they're already posted here on Attackpoint. :-)
May 11, 2013 4:26 AM # 
Pink Socks:
How good is Ulrik the Slayer?

May 11, 2013 11:11 AM # 
Let's just say there are still quite a few better.... :-)

World ranking
May 11, 2013 2:24 PM # 
Thanks! And thanks to whoever imessaged results to me last night :) how about today?
May 11, 2013 3:12 PM # 
Geez, no finishers downloaded yet today. ;--)

Long walk and bus ride from the finishers.

Try here in a little bit.
May 11, 2013 3:29 PM # 
Oh! Perfect!
May 11, 2013 3:37 PM # 
@vmeyer Like
May 11, 2013 8:18 PM # 
Valerie, that was great! I was checking in the whole time and updating those around me :) again tomorrow? :)
May 11, 2013 9:52 PM # 
Valerie says, "will certainly try!"
May 11, 2013 11:31 PM # 
Splits for the Sprint and the Middle by Classes are posted on Winsplits.
May 12, 2013 2:11 AM # 
And the results are again posted on the US Champs website by class and course. G'night y'all.
May 12, 2013 3:38 PM # 
and today... how's it going?!
May 12, 2013 4:29 PM # 
Anything!? please we are dying to know!
May 12, 2013 4:35 PM # 
Or at least a little curious.
May 12, 2013 4:39 PM # 
nope, dying.
May 12, 2013 4:48 PM # 
some faster than others
May 12, 2013 5:03 PM # 
ndobbs, that made me laugh so hard!
May 12, 2013 5:09 PM # 
how fast does tense anticipation kill you?
May 12, 2013 5:14 PM # 
careful Regina, there's more than one way to die faster...
May 12, 2013 5:14 PM # 
Has anyone else noticed the nice triangle thing going on here?
May 12, 2013 5:17 PM # 
no. but i've noticed that we're all bored.
May 12, 2013 5:18 PM # 
Awh I thought you meant "Some faster than others" as the results of the race.
May 12, 2013 5:27 PM # 
Well team trial results are a bit more interesting than my maths exam
May 12, 2013 6:18 PM # 
since when does tense anticipation induce boredom?
May 12, 2013 6:23 PM # 
I believe Eric Bone won today.
May 12, 2013 6:24 PM # 
have awards happened yet? are results going to get posted soon?
May 12, 2013 6:26 PM # 
It could be a long Review Panel meeting because Ross's score is somewhere around 10th.
May 12, 2013 6:27 PM # 
ok so nothing announced at the event even. any chance of results from today? (no trial scores) or even rough names of places?
May 12, 2013 6:30 PM # 
Sorry I'm not there, had to leave quickly.
May 12, 2013 6:51 PM # 
Ali C won again today
May 12, 2013 7:01 PM # 
When I left at 1 pm, Eric and Boris were clearly in, Sergei Zh was almost certainly in, and beyond that it wasn't clear. I didn't check the Women's standings. Plenty of people there with phones and the coverage is decent! ...
May 12, 2013 7:07 PM # 
It was a tough day today... tough hills, tough vegetation, tough footing, tough navigation, and (sorry I am posting this without first having said thanks, which are forthcoming) tough map to read because of really substandard printing. I thought that the Blue course was an excellent Long, very well planned, fair control placements, some really tough ones, but mostly on the easier side (but still tough navigation throughout the leg). Just about the only element that wasn't tough was the weather; perfect running weather, cool, no rain. Anyone who shined in these conditions certainly deserves a place on a national Team!
May 12, 2013 7:21 PM # 
Today's results, long distance (see new thread for team selections)

1. Ali Crocker 1:23:21
2. Louise Orem, CAN 1:32:07
3. Alex Jospe 1:37:36
4. Tereza Novotna, CZ 1:41:58
5. Hannah Culberg 1:42:39

1. Eric Bone 1:39:47
2. Eric Kemp, CAN 1:42:22
3. Boris Granovskiy 1:42:26
4. Sergei Zhyk 1:45:02
5. Wyatt Riley 1:46:10
May 12, 2013 8:00 PM # 
Splits just posted to Valerie's website - see above for link. Just couldn't get a strong enough Internet connection at the event site to post live results.
May 12, 2013 11:25 PM # 
Routegadget for the Long at

Middle and Sprint tomorrow after I get home and resolve some file issues...
May 13, 2013 1:37 AM # 
May 13, 2013 2:07 AM # 
Results, sorted by class and course, are posted on the Results page. More links will be added when I can.
May 13, 2013 5:08 PM # 
Thanks Janet, and thanks EMPO, for a great, tough, weekend.
May 13, 2013 5:14 PM # 
Tremendous kudos and many thanks to EMPO for putting together a fantastic event - especially for rising to the challenge to put on SML and team trials over the more conservative initial plans. Moreau and Wakpominee were magnificent and difficult terrain.
May 13, 2013 6:22 PM # 
This was a fantastic weekend. Camp Wakpominee ( I never did hear that name pronounced) made for a lively sprint with a mix of woods features and building/road/cultural features. It made me realize that I prefer urban sprints because there is little left to interpretation by the mapper, hence, if I can keep focused, I can understand every feature I'm seeing and do well. I guess I wasn't focused when I was thinking about that though!

Moreau is world class terrain and while it was challenging for younger and older orienteers to make the climb (and the descent) to the start/finish, it was terrific technical challenge. Well-mapped, great courses, and friendly start and finish crews, especially with the on and off rain. I had so much fun that I didn't notice the rain once I got started.

The accommodations at The Surfside on the Lake in the village of Lake George allowed hundreds of orienteers to hang out together in the off hours. The town was fun to explore, the lake beautiful, and the evening dinner boat cruise so relaxing. I just wish I'd have danced the kinks out of my sore muscles.

Sunday's freshening made for great running. The woods were challenging at times with the logging slash and deadfall, along with the rocks, but it was a beautiful forest. The venue was perfect with the results down by the lake and the option of going inside the BSA dining hall to keep warm and have awards. Valerie's results displays are also world class--thanks for all the effort it takes to make that happen. Having them set back under the tent made it easy to see and visit at the same time, without crowding the screens. Only now did it occur to me that we did not have announcers--a real plus in recent years. Peter's awards presentations added some fun and interesting commentary though. President's awards to Jeff Saeger and Janet Porter for their years of contributions were appreciated by all.

So, GREAT EVENT. Thank you to EMPO and all of the other generous orienteers that helped to make this such a memorable weekend.
May 13, 2013 6:47 PM # 
Agree with everything MJ said, thanks so so much EMPO, was simply a fantastic weekend in all ways!!
May 13, 2013 7:24 PM # 
Yes, it was really awesome to run hard courses on great maps in tough, technical terrain. Thanks to everyone who made it possible!
May 13, 2013 7:56 PM # 
Agreed, fantastic event! Thanks EMPO for everything!
May 13, 2013 8:07 PM # 
We thank you all for coming! Despite the rain on Saturday at least it was fairly warm; despite the cold front that came through Sunday at least it wasn't raining. :-) It was ideal for running the Long but a bit uncomfortable for hanging around afterwards.

We especially would like to thank the long list of volunteers both from EMPO and from clubs outside of the Capital District (and even New York state!) -- we could not have pulled this off without you. Valerie's results display continues to impress.

If anyone has photos from the events to share, please send me the links and we'll get them posted on the US Champs website. The US Team announcement is on the Results page, along with a list of Lost and Found items.

@MJC -- As for pronouncing the name of the Camp, I never heard what the Scouters called it, but we've been pronouncing it "wok-POM-in-ee".
May 13, 2013 9:28 PM # 
Any maps posted (not route gadget)? Looking for orange.
May 13, 2013 9:51 PM # 
The West Coast Express crew from GVOC and YOA also had a great time. It's a pleasure to come back east and run in your hilly (and sometimes rocky(!)) hardwood forests. Thanks to everyone who helped make our trip so much fun.
May 13, 2013 11:13 PM # 
I will add my thanks as well :) Well worth the trip. Great to see and hear a happy crowd in the finish arena!
May 13, 2013 11:33 PM # 
It was indeed an excellent event. I don't think I can add anything else except my thanks for everyone's hard work.
May 13, 2013 11:38 PM # 
THANK YOU! wonderful!
May 13, 2013 11:40 PM # 
Thanks! The terrain and the courses were super-fun!
May 13, 2013 11:45 PM # 
Looking back, what impresses me is how well the three events embodied the Sprint-Middle-Long philosophy. The sprint was as fast as it could be; quick and accurate decisions were the deciding factor. The middle had short legs with the most complex navigation I've ever seen. The long was altogether different, with large-scale route choices in rugged terrain. These were truly three distinct disciplines. Great choices of venue.
May 14, 2013 12:43 AM # 
What impresses me most was how the weather was tailored perfectly to each event. Now that takes some real planning! :-) Seriously though - thanks from me as well. Was excellent and a lot of fun.
May 14, 2013 12:47 AM # 
Great long weekend! It was a memorable event! Thanks!
May 14, 2013 1:28 AM # 
Pretty cool to be a junior at O meets these days: course reviews, pizza dinner, strategy meetings with Erin, crepe stand, Go Karts, Laser Tag, Catching Features tournament with Eric Kemp & Ed Despard, late nights on the beach, (awesome orienteering, medaling on blue, making the senior team,) ... Thanks to Lisa, Liisa, Bernie, Eric, Erin, Ed, Andrea, Dave, Susan, Bud, Janet, Marianne, Janet, Guy, and many EMPO volunteers, and all I've accidentally left off, for your help!
May 14, 2013 2:45 AM # 
Of course the big plus of this event was terrain. As someone who never ran before on Hudson Valley terrain, I’d say I was impressed. It is now close second after my old favorite-Shawnee Mission,KS. The field-checking was generally good as well, as I realized later, looking at the online versions of the maps. The actual printed maps were not readable on the run, a result of poor-quality low-resolution printing, mentioned above already. Still the maps were adequate for the Championship level. Added: Poor visibility during middle race apparently was a contributing factor.
I was disappointed with no Model Event being offered. IMO, it was even more important than it normally is, due to a very peculiar terrain, to give outsiders a chance to gain basic familiarity with the terrain and the mapping style. I have a strong opinion that Model Event should not be optional.
May 14, 2013 12:05 PM # 
RouteGadget is up for all events now.

Thanks to Diana Todd/QOC, the maps have been geo-referenced. What this means is that loading your GPS tracks should require little fiddling, so lets get those courses loaded - GPS, manual, or both.
May 14, 2013 2:46 PM # 
It was a great event, and really fine to see the large group of juniors under Erin's leadership, and to watch them go-karting!
And thanks to the organizers for an event where the three generation Federer-Hall family can go 12 for 12 in medals. This really is a lifetime family sport. (Sorry about the bragging.)
May 14, 2013 10:45 PM # 
After reviewing some of the comments, and going back to the maps as printed, I want to offer an apology. The process used (and the printer used) was the same for the maps handed out each day. However, the maps for the Sunday Long event were indeed substandard. I do not offer the following as an excuse, only an explanation:

When I was reviewing the printing, my concerns were getting the brown (contours) sharp, and the green and yellow and purple the right tone. I never even considered the black, as it had never been an issue before.

That was, in hindsight, a big mistake. I was "fighting the last war", as it were.

So, I'm mainly posting this as a cautionary tale to future Meet Directors or map printers: don't trust just your own eyes. We don't have a lot of extra help here in EMPO-land, but I certainly could have found someone to look over the test prints in time to have gotten much better results in the end.

Again, I apologize; and I think I've learned a good lesson. I hope no one was too bummed out by the Sunday map quality to enjoy the weekend.

-Phil H-T
May 14, 2013 11:22 PM # 
Thanks EMPO and crew! It was really a great event. So many great aspects, but what I appreciated the most was the course setting really "getting" the flavor of each of the different discplines. They were spot on--both with respect to first-order metrics (times, leg type, etc.) but you also got the intangibles--the character of each of the disciplines.

We all thought the middle would be good (and it was), but the other disciplines were also exceptional. Thanks!
May 14, 2013 11:42 PM # 
I am looking for a picture of the results display from Sunday. Please email it to me or post a link. Thank you!
May 15, 2013 12:20 AM # 
The Middle Orange course had a rather high proportion of MPs/DNFs (6/12), several times exceeding the 2-hour limit (4), and a high winning time (53:45). Was it simply not possible to set an appropriate Orange in that terrain?
May 15, 2013 12:53 AM # 
Yes, thank you EMPO and Janet for a great weekend! Your flexibility in accommodating TinyFeet was also much appreciated.
May 15, 2013 12:58 AM # 
@GuyO - Apparently, yes. Although the sample size is small and I think the field represents a wide skill range. We probably shouldn't use this map for the Interscholastics. :-)
May 15, 2013 6:15 AM # 
Here some pictures from the event and of unforgettable Dinner Cruise.
May 15, 2013 10:54 AM # 
I was hoping someone would post a shot of the "sun dog" - first time I had ever seen one!
May 15, 2013 4:40 PM # 
This was another great event, showing IMO that despite relatively short time frames and relatively small clubs, we in North America are getting better and better all the time at putting on high quality events.

I had a great time last weekend and thank and congratulate PHT and the crew.

However, I do have one small quibble / question. Of course ;-) The start location for the Long distance race was "in the middle of the map", which I believe is generally a dangerous choice. Sure enough, in the RedY course, there was a route choice (leg 4 or 5 I think) that had competitors running backwards through the start lines and the callup area. This is disruptive to the waiting racers who are in their final pre-race preparations, not to mention to the start crew. This is a very minor point and in no way takes away from the great enjoyment of the weekend. I only mention it for the benefit of future course planners because in general I think it is better to use a start location on the edge of the map, freeing the course planner of concerns such as this. I think it would maybe have been possible to use a start location directly north of the finish area, on the east side of the map, and still maintain the high quality of all the courses. Maybe this was considered and rejected for some reason - I certainly didn't look too closely at it and don't have the knowledge of the situation that would allow me to say so.

The terrain was fantastic, the courses great, the atmosphere outstanding, technology was "wow", and the finish arenas for the Friday and Sunday races were out of this world. Thanks again to the organizers, and I look forward to running in this glorious terrain again.
May 16, 2013 2:13 AM # 
@GlenT: For the 2010 Classic Champs, was Orange one of the courses that stayed down by the lakes both days?
May 16, 2013 2:43 AM # 
Route/Gadget probably has a better memory than GlenT.
The answer is yes if you don't want to click through.
May 16, 2013 3:03 AM # 
@GuyO - Yes (W,Y,O and Br were all down at lake level). @Delyn - I certainly remember the general location of the courses and could probably draw their general flow onto a blank map from memory.
May 16, 2013 3:20 AM # 
GlenT designed the courses for both days in 2010, and the Sprint and Middle this time around.
May 16, 2013 5:11 AM # 
Janet, here are a few pics, mostly from the Friday start.
May 18, 2013 6:34 AM # 
Here are some more pics
Jun 1, 2013 2:33 PM # 
Some more pictures:
Jun 4, 2013 2:49 AM # 
Thanks all! Now if I could just find the owners of the lost and found items....
Jun 4, 2013 3:13 AM # 
None of the items are mine, but I would be happy to take the black elastic SI strap in exchange for a suitable donation to the US team.
Jun 4, 2013 10:17 PM # 
What size are the Inov-8's, and what model? (me too)
Jun 4, 2013 10:23 PM # 
X-talons (no metal studs), unknown size but probably about 11-12. Well used. ;-) (I.e., not much midsole support.)
Jun 5, 2013 5:42 PM # 
Sorry too big for me.
Jun 8, 2013 4:35 PM # 
Dec 18, 2013 5:06 AM # 
Legs from the long race featured at World of O!

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