Discussion: Splits: Highlander, Lowlander, KQM, Trail
in: Hudson Highlander (Oct 11, 2009 - Harriman, NY)
Oct 13, 2009 8:18 PM
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The results and the links to the 2003 - 2008 HHs are posted at the
HVO web site.
HVO web site.
Oct 14, 2009 12:18 AM
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Thanks for the results.
Are there any results from prior to 2007 or so? (I can't get the 2006 link to work on this page.) I know I ran other Highlanders, but not any recent ones.
Are there any results from prior to 2007 or so? (I can't get the 2006 link to work on this page.) I know I ran other Highlanders, but not any recent ones.
Oct 14, 2009 1:25 AM
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ken:
here are some that I found:
1995-2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20021017152810/http://w...
2003: http://web.archive.org/web/20040215001808/216.93.1...
2005: http://hvo.us.orienteering.org/hvo/results/highlan...
1995-2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20021017152810/http://w...
2003: http://web.archive.org/web/20040215001808/216.93.1...
2005: http://hvo.us.orienteering.org/hvo/results/highlan...
Oct 14, 2009 1:34 AM
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Awesome! Thanks. I have confirmed that in the results you provided, PG has a nice 3 to 1 record vs. me.
Now, I just need 2006. I think I got him there...
Now, I just need 2006. I think I got him there...
Oct 14, 2009 1:39 AM
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feet:
These results all seem to be helping confirm that this year's Highlander was the wussiest one ever, and 2003 was the toughest yet. (I think this year definitely had the highest fraction of trail running of any HH course I've seen.)
Oct 14, 2009 1:41 AM
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PG:
Make that 3-2 when you add in 2006.
Guess I will just have to skip futures editions to preserve my lead.
Guess I will just have to skip futures editions to preserve my lead.
Oct 14, 2009 1:59 AM
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Well, that did occur to me, but who knows how many times our trajectories will intersect? Like if I run this in 10 years, you might buttress your record.
Oct 14, 2009 2:03 AM
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Well, sort of. I guess if I don't show up I lose by default. And you know I won't be there for that one...
Oct 14, 2009 2:27 AM
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In 2003 we didn't bother having a trail run, as far as I recall. A course for Russians, by Russians.
Oct 14, 2009 2:21 PM
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No trail run in 2001 (designed by Jon Nash) nor 2003 (designed by Alexei), and 2006 didn't exactly have a trail run, though the first section used a highlighted route on a B&W map. Winning time was fastest this year, with the winning per-km time more than a minute better than the previous best. The top four this year were all faster than the previous best time. Prior to this year, the candidates for wussiest were 2000, 2004, and 2006 (2000 may have been even wussier than 2009). 2003 was indeed probably the toughest, with 2005 in second place. 1999 was also tough as evidenced by the stats, but that one is in a special category due to the rain.
Oct 14, 2009 2:38 PM
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What we have here is something resembling the even-odd Star Trek movie dichotomy...
Oct 14, 2009 3:57 PM
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How come no splits for Craig Weber, and in the HVO splits list, Levine and Onkst are both listed as 55th, but Sturtevant is 56th?
Oct 14, 2009 4:20 PM
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Craig has been placed in the Lowlander by the computer, because he switched from LL to HH. David O. punched after David L. at the Go control, which decided about the order in the results. If you look at this last version of the results, here I manually adjusted things.
Oct 14, 2009 5:26 PM
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I am adding results of previous years, J-J sent me 2004, so I have everything from 2003 - 2009. I am working on the previous years, but I usually need to improve the format before I post and link.
Oct 14, 2009 7:04 PM
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Thanks Daniel! It would be great to have all the Highlander results archived in the same place. (Also, some sort of lifetime point system, like in the Billygoat?)
Oct 14, 2009 7:14 PM
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There is a lifetime point system for the Highlander, based on how many you've completed and how many people you've finished ahead of (the way the bib numbers were assigned at HH XIV).
Oct 14, 2009 8:32 PM
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Here we go, some of the current stats (J-J sent this avalanche of numbers and his comments this morning).
Fourteen finishes:
Joe Brautigam 65:11:32 4:05:03 5:25:36 4:33:01 3:51:21 4:30:29 3:46:25 4:06:04 5:27:10 6:53:53 4:56:11 4:33:11 4:43:24 4:05:14 4:14:30
J-J Coté 69:46:12 4:58:49 4:43:31 5:08:21 4:43:30 5:18:12 4:27:51 4:41:11 6:02:57 4:27:08 6:12:03 4:16:43 4:41:17 5:21:35 4:43:04
Bernard Breton 72:46:13 4:39:48 5:01:30 4:53:16 4:41:55 5:34:27 3:54:44 4:41:11 6:29:58 6:53:53 6:12:03 4:21:40 4:56:58 5:21:28 5:03:22
Peggy Dickison 73:13:08 4:44:37 4:26:02 4:50:48 4:52:06 6:03:56 4:35:25 5:06:02 6:29:58 4:54:41 5:27:53 5:02:37 5:41:01 5:54:41 5:03:21
Charlie DeWeese 80:04:09 4:44:30 4:54:00 4:53:36 5:20:07 7:23:50 4:35:20 6:16:38 6:46:00 5:22:14 6:11:11 5:48:03 5:54:37 6:01:55 5:52:08
Bob Bullions 98:43:01 6:56:15 6:37:20 6:08:06 6:03:05 7:37:59 7:23:06 7:31:29 6:51:29 7:07:50 7:18:30 6:27:11 7:08:29 7:50:24 7:41:48
Thirteen finishes:
Jeff Saeger
4:53:36 DNS 4:51:51 4:42:03 6:39:25 3:54:52 5:05:52 5:27:25 4:40:01 6:30:13 4:15:00 5:15:06 5:21:50 4:45:36
Glen Tryson
DNS 6:08:17 6:43:06 5:32:02 7:42:55 5:57:48 6:24:59 7:04:18 6:08:08 6:53:21 5:23:57 6:30:35 5:43:59 5:37:20
Twelve finishes:
Pavlina Brautigam
6:36:49 5:25:36 5:08:41 4:19:02 5:06:54 4:14:57 4:52:20 DNS 4:40:34 4:57:39 4:24:36 4:48:28 4:32:48 DNS
Peter Goodwin
6:16:59 5:53:53 6:14:54 5:52:32 7:24:30 5:34:59 6:21:34 7:04:10 6:34:05 7:18:30 6:54:02 7:08:28 DNS DNS
Paul Regan
6:31:18 6:39:51 7:57:17 7:03:49 7:55:08 6:06:51 7:13:31 DNS 6:15:47 7:22:47 6:10:12 DNS 6:47:47 7:01:52
Eleven finishes:
Rick DeWitt
DNS 6:44:45 5:40:20 5:27:50 7:42:55 4:33:13 5:36:14 6:29:58 6:48:55 DNS 5:01:32 DNS 6:59:54 5:18:29
Ten finishes:
Gregory Balter
4:01:43 3:49:44 4:02:48 3:58:11 RET 3:37:48 4:23:35 5:06:34 3:47:18 4:33:36 3:57:34 DNS DNS DNS
Peter Gagarin
4:06:23 3:36:02 4:14:26 4:03:46 4:49:10 3:59:54 DNS 5:22:31 DNS DNS 4:00:18 4:32:17 4:27:17 DNS
Sharon Crawford
5:40:29 5:06:28 5:31:53 7:39:30 7:09:46 DNS 5:58:29 6:57:57 6:00:32 6:05:38 DNS DNS 6:06:39 DNS
This year's course was 25.639 km, using 0CAD to measure on the Surebridge map, and measurements on a scan of the original Silvermine map (since I'm a little wary of the inkjet prints we ran on for the last section). The breakdown is:
Surebridge: 6.73 km
trail run: 6.505 km
Fingerboard: 5.576 km
Tiorati Circle: 6.828 km
Seems like this was probably one of the easier Highlanders, if not the easiest. Certainly the winning time was the fastest (more than a minute per km faster than any previous Highlander!), but that's in part an effect of the presence of a certain French ringer. Still, the first four (Gueorgiou, Hawkins, Bourrin, and McGrath) were faster than any previous Highlander time. Average time was the second-fastest, and median time was third-fastest, though these may have been influenced by a higher than typical attendance by some of the better orienteers around, thanks to the fact that there was a training camp in Harriman in the days preceding. DNF rate was the lowest in quite some time. For the usual suspects, it was right in the middle, which probably also means it was on the easy side, considering the fact that we're slowing down as we age. Bob Bullions probably maintains his title of the oldest Highlander, now at age 66, though Eric Smith was born the same year, so I have to check his birthdate, but since Bob was born in early January, I'm guessing he's older. In fact, only one person born before them (Judy Dickinson) has ever finished a Highlander, and she hasn't done so since 1997.
Fourteen finishes:
Joe Brautigam 65:11:32 4:05:03 5:25:36 4:33:01 3:51:21 4:30:29 3:46:25 4:06:04 5:27:10 6:53:53 4:56:11 4:33:11 4:43:24 4:05:14 4:14:30
J-J Coté 69:46:12 4:58:49 4:43:31 5:08:21 4:43:30 5:18:12 4:27:51 4:41:11 6:02:57 4:27:08 6:12:03 4:16:43 4:41:17 5:21:35 4:43:04
Bernard Breton 72:46:13 4:39:48 5:01:30 4:53:16 4:41:55 5:34:27 3:54:44 4:41:11 6:29:58 6:53:53 6:12:03 4:21:40 4:56:58 5:21:28 5:03:22
Peggy Dickison 73:13:08 4:44:37 4:26:02 4:50:48 4:52:06 6:03:56 4:35:25 5:06:02 6:29:58 4:54:41 5:27:53 5:02:37 5:41:01 5:54:41 5:03:21
Charlie DeWeese 80:04:09 4:44:30 4:54:00 4:53:36 5:20:07 7:23:50 4:35:20 6:16:38 6:46:00 5:22:14 6:11:11 5:48:03 5:54:37 6:01:55 5:52:08
Bob Bullions 98:43:01 6:56:15 6:37:20 6:08:06 6:03:05 7:37:59 7:23:06 7:31:29 6:51:29 7:07:50 7:18:30 6:27:11 7:08:29 7:50:24 7:41:48
Thirteen finishes:
Jeff Saeger
4:53:36 DNS 4:51:51 4:42:03 6:39:25 3:54:52 5:05:52 5:27:25 4:40:01 6:30:13 4:15:00 5:15:06 5:21:50 4:45:36
Glen Tryson
DNS 6:08:17 6:43:06 5:32:02 7:42:55 5:57:48 6:24:59 7:04:18 6:08:08 6:53:21 5:23:57 6:30:35 5:43:59 5:37:20
Twelve finishes:
Pavlina Brautigam
6:36:49 5:25:36 5:08:41 4:19:02 5:06:54 4:14:57 4:52:20 DNS 4:40:34 4:57:39 4:24:36 4:48:28 4:32:48 DNS
Peter Goodwin
6:16:59 5:53:53 6:14:54 5:52:32 7:24:30 5:34:59 6:21:34 7:04:10 6:34:05 7:18:30 6:54:02 7:08:28 DNS DNS
Paul Regan
6:31:18 6:39:51 7:57:17 7:03:49 7:55:08 6:06:51 7:13:31 DNS 6:15:47 7:22:47 6:10:12 DNS 6:47:47 7:01:52
Eleven finishes:
Rick DeWitt
DNS 6:44:45 5:40:20 5:27:50 7:42:55 4:33:13 5:36:14 6:29:58 6:48:55 DNS 5:01:32 DNS 6:59:54 5:18:29
Ten finishes:
Gregory Balter
4:01:43 3:49:44 4:02:48 3:58:11 RET 3:37:48 4:23:35 5:06:34 3:47:18 4:33:36 3:57:34 DNS DNS DNS
Peter Gagarin
4:06:23 3:36:02 4:14:26 4:03:46 4:49:10 3:59:54 DNS 5:22:31 DNS DNS 4:00:18 4:32:17 4:27:17 DNS
Sharon Crawford
5:40:29 5:06:28 5:31:53 7:39:30 7:09:46 DNS 5:58:29 6:57:57 6:00:32 6:05:38 DNS DNS 6:06:39 DNS
This year's course was 25.639 km, using 0CAD to measure on the Surebridge map, and measurements on a scan of the original Silvermine map (since I'm a little wary of the inkjet prints we ran on for the last section). The breakdown is:
Surebridge: 6.73 km
trail run: 6.505 km
Fingerboard: 5.576 km
Tiorati Circle: 6.828 km
Seems like this was probably one of the easier Highlanders, if not the easiest. Certainly the winning time was the fastest (more than a minute per km faster than any previous Highlander!), but that's in part an effect of the presence of a certain French ringer. Still, the first four (Gueorgiou, Hawkins, Bourrin, and McGrath) were faster than any previous Highlander time. Average time was the second-fastest, and median time was third-fastest, though these may have been influenced by a higher than typical attendance by some of the better orienteers around, thanks to the fact that there was a training camp in Harriman in the days preceding. DNF rate was the lowest in quite some time. For the usual suspects, it was right in the middle, which probably also means it was on the easy side, considering the fact that we're slowing down as we age. Bob Bullions probably maintains his title of the oldest Highlander, now at age 66, though Eric Smith was born the same year, so I have to check his birthdate, but since Bob was born in early January, I'm guessing he's older. In fact, only one person born before them (Judy Dickinson) has ever finished a Highlander, and she hasn't done so since 1997.
Oct 14, 2009 8:46 PM
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Here is the point list before HH 14. I include it in the HH page later. AP doesn't allow tabs, looks messy. The second last number is the number of starts and the last number are the points.
First criterion for the ranking is the number of finishes, second is "points", where you basically get a point for everybody who finishes after you, and a half-point for everybody who DNFs.
No, I am not trying to add the longest post to AP ever. Just happened to be the fastest thing to do, instead of making a file and linking it.
Joe Brautigam M 13 574.0
J-J Coté M 13 531.5
Bernard Breton M 13 504.5
Peggy Dickison F 13 484.5
Charlie DeWeese M 13 417.0
Bob Bullions M 13 213.5
Jeff Saeger M 12 492.0
Pavlina Brautigam F 12 491.0
Glen Tryson M 12 305.0
Peter Goodwin M 12 268.5
Paul Regan M 11 170.5
Gregory Balter M 10 521.0
Peter Gagarin M 10 472.5
Rick DeWitt M 10 294.0
Sharon Crawford F 10 266.0
Glen Brake M 9 225.5
Daniel Schaublin M 8 403.0
Alan Young M 8 338.0
Phil Bricker M 8 239.0
Jim Henderson M 8 195.5
Susan DeWitt F 8 154.5
Ross Smith M 7 351.5
Ralf Becker M 7 200.5
Tim Good M 7 194.5
David Levine M 7 184.0
Rich Nietupski M 7 164.0
Eric Smith M 7 145.0
Barbara Bryant F 7 107.5
Jim Eagleton M 6 200.5
Kevin Clune M 6 87.0
Eddie Bergeron M 5 287.0
Boris Granovskiy M 5 273.0
Clem McGrath M 5 269.5
Randy Hall M 5 250.5
Nadim Ahmed M 5 241.0
Wyatt Riley M 5 240.5
Samantha Saeger F 5 234.5
Jonathan Campbell M 5 210.5
Doug Gosling M 5 177.0
Jeremy Colgan M 5 141.0
Mairead Young F 5 67.0
Francis III Hogle M 5 63.0
Paul Beckwith M 5 57.0
Dean Sturtevant M 5 46.0
Francis Falardeau M 4 232.0
Steve Olafsen M 4 171.0
Karl Ahlswede M 4 149.5
Charles Leonard M 4 143.5
Paul Bisset M 4 142.5
Sam Levitin M 4 81.5
Susan Worthington F 4 69.5
Sandy Fillebrown F 4 47.0
Jon Nash M 4 35.5
Stephen Stibler M 4 30.5
William Hawkins M 3 185.5
Ken Jr. Walker M 3 176.0
Vytenis Benetis M 3 173.0
Vadim Masalkov M 3 167.5
John Fredrickson M 3 167.5
Jon Torrance M 3 164.5
Dmitriy Kourtchikov M 3 151.5
Misha Lipatov M 3 147.0
Hillary Saeger F 3 135.5
David Onkst M 3 133.0
Ken Sr. Walker M 3 126.0
Declan Hennelly M 3 124.5
Stefan Slutsky M 3 114.0
Patrick Shannon M 3 108.5
John Potter M 3 103.5
Scott Turner M 3 87.0
Mike Lyons M 3 82.0
Victoria Campbell F 3 74.0
Steve Worthington M 3 55.5
Dave Yee M 3 49.0
Bill Bryant M 3 41.0
Eric Cyr M 2 133.0
Vladimir Gusiatnikov M 2 106.0
Erin Nielsen F 2 102.5
Florin Tencariu M 2 92.5
Jordan Laughlin M 2 89.0
James Rayburn M 2 77.5
Dan Stoll-Hadayia M 2 76.5
Peter Polivka M 2 69.5
Michael Norris M 2 68.5
Shawn Soviak M 2 66.5
Sean Smith M 2 65.0
Suzanne Armstrong M 2 63.5
Tracey Olafsen F 2 63.5
John Goodwin M 2 60.5
Viktoria Brautigam F 2 60.5
Mark Cornish M 2 57.5
Valeriy Doverov M 2 57.5
Pepa Milusheva F 2 56.5
Mike Ball M 2 54.0
John Organek M 2 52.5
Piaras de Cléir M 2 52.5
Alan Griffith M 2 50.0
David Hoffman M 2 48.5
Ted McDonald M 2 46.0
Jeff Hutchinson M 2 39.5
George Hebner M 2 32.5
Ann Leonard F 2 26.0
Judy Dickinson F 2 25.0
Rich Fulton M 2 24.5
Michal Koucky M 2 18.5
Tracy Robertson F 2 17.5
Mary Smith F 2 16.0
Thomas Pelnar M 2 14.5
Dave Webber M 2 14.0
Igor Tchernykov M 1 66.5
Flavius Craciunas M 1 66.0
Balentin Kamenarov M 1 64.5
Leif Anderson M 1 64.0
Kroum Serguiev M 1 63.5
Eric Bone M 1 63.0
Georgi Gurgorov M 1 62.5
Pete Nelson M 1 60.5
Graeme Ackland M 1 60.0
Andis Vitolins M 1 59.0
Sergei Zhyk M 1 58.5
Mike Waddington M 1 58.5
Tom Bruce M 1 58.5
Mike Smith M 1 57.5
Marc Lauenstein M 1 56.5
Ed White M 1 56.0
Wil Smith M 1 55.5
Mihai Veres M 1 55.0
Alexei Azarov M 1 55.0
Per Svensson M 1 54.5
Matt Stuckey M 1 53.5
Doug DiCenzo M 1 53.5
Joshua Wiley M 1 53.0
Andrew Atkins M 1 52.5
Stefan Roehl M 1 51.5
Scott Pleban M 1 51.5
Paul Gates M 1 51.5
Alex Reiter M 1 51.0
Benoit Letourneau M 1 49.5
Thomas Callery M 1 49.5
Yuri Bezymianny M 1 49.5
Andrew Komm M 1 49.0
Jessica Rykken F 1 47.5
Jeremy McKnight M 1 46.5
Tom Carr M 1 46.5
Zach Taron M 1 45.0
Alar Ruutopõld M 1 44.5
Jennifer Shultis F 1 43.0
Mark Voit M 1 43.0
Brad Whitmore M 1 42.5
Zachary March M 1 42.5
Adam Rudner M 1 42.0
Clinton Morse M 1 42.0
Steven Fleisig M 1 41.5
Corinne Porter F 1 41.0
Evgenia Pangelova F 1 40.5
Nick Lewis-Walls M 1 40.0
Mark Walmsley M 1 40.0
Jitka Hostonska F 1 39.0
Josh Barten M 1 39.0
Pierre Tetreault M 1 38.5
Peter Grollman M 1 38.5
George Walker M 1 38.0
Brad Townsend M 1 38.0
Andy Hall M 1 38.0
Piers Newbery M 1 37.0
Greg Walker M 1 36.5
Matthew Mogensen M 1 35.5
Neil Marshall M 1 35.5
Orlin Stanev M 1 35.0
Ben Shean M 1 34.5
Tim Derrick M 1 34.5
Scott Bailey M 1 34.0
Pepi Stova F 1 33.5
Rick Oliver M 1 33.5
Mark Lwin M 1 33.5
Jonathan Neely M 1 33.0
Paul Caston M 1 32.5
Csaba Tiszttarto M 1 32.5
Patrick Gallagher M 1 31.0
Galina Verchinina F 1 30.5
Neal Trump M 1 30.5
Jason Trump M 1 30.5
Karin Knesaurek M 1 30.0
Justin Gosling M 1 30.0
Brian Caston M 1 29.0
Ian Tidswell M 1 27.5
James Perkins M 1 27.5
Brian Shepard M 1 26.5
Ted Lystig M 1 25.0
Nancy Koehler F 1 25.0
James Kerlin M 1 24.5
Jeff Schapiro M 1 23.0
Nathan Smith M 1 22.0
Phil Stearns M 1 21.5
Donna Fluegel F 1 21.5
Steve Fluegel M 1 21.5
Melissa Coombes F 1 21.5
Gyula Karolyi M 1 20.5
Barb Campbell F 1 20.0
Mike Derrick M 1 19.5
Bradley Hutchison M 1 19.0
Benjamin Bruder M 1 18.5
Lon McBride M 1 18.5
Sarah Klaben F 1 18.5
Chelsea Cunningham F 1 18.5
Ed Kotowski M 1 18.0
Petr Vohralik M 1 17.5
Michael Milgroom M 1 17.5
John Frey M 1 16.5
Erica Clarkson F 1 16.0
John Cummings M 1 16.0
Chris Ballou M 1 16.0
Chris O'Bara M 1 15.0
James Baker M 1 14.5
Craig Weber M 1 14.5
Zsuzsa Orban F 1 14.0
Mark Gardner M 1 13.5
Jose Aranda M 1 13.5
Raymond Chung M 1 13.0
Paul Smyth M 1 12.5
Ellen Stibler F 1 10.0
Melissa Dominguez F 1 10.0
Ben Dailey M 1 9.0
Tom Wagar M 1 8.0
Valerie Meyer F 1 8.0
Steve Berlin M 1 7.5
Sandy Schreyer F 0 0.0
Heidi Miller F 0 0.0
Dan Barker M 0 0.0
Zac Barker M 0 0.0
Dylan Thies M 0 0.0
Ruben Veliz M 0 0.0
R.A. Nifong M 0 0.0
Andrey Zorin M 0 0.0
Robert Wrazen M 0 0.0
Barry Wong M 0 0.0
Brice Wilson M 0 0.0
Karen Williams F 0 0.0
Kean Williams M 0 0.0
Rodney Villella M 0 0.0
Brian Sweeney M 0 0.0
Donna Sweeney F 0 0.0
Rick Sweeney M 0 0.0
Ed Stabler M 0 0.0
Kalmia Smith F 0 0.0
Jason Sheeley M 0 0.0
Judd Seals M 0 0.0
Scott Seals M 0 0.0
Roseanne Schwartz F 0 0.0
Burton Ryan M 0 0.0
Mayer Rubin M 0 0.0
Chris Rice M 0 0.0
Brian Rafferty M 0 0.0
Amanda Prager F 0 0.0
Brett Prager M 0 0.0
Shlomo Pessar M 0 0.0
Sergei Paziewski M 0 0.0
Jason Pattison M 0 0.0
Edwin Park M 0 0.0
Dick Opsahl M 0 0.0
Judy Opsahl F 0 0.0
Russel Nordquist M 0 0.0
Shabir Najmudin M 0 0.0
Craig Murray M 0 0.0
Jim Mertz M 0 0.0
Mark Merchant M 0 0.0
John Maier M 0 0.0
Catharina Lindsey F 0 0.0
Serge Lessard M 0 0.0
John Lee M 0 0.0
Julia Leder F 0 0.0
Mikhail Leder M 0 0.0
Kirill Kourtchikov M 0 0.0
Daniel Kennedy M 0 0.0
Terry Keegan M 0 0.0
Yuri Karno M 0 0.0
Petri Karenlampi M 0 0.0
Kevin Jersey M 0 0.0
Valeri Iskortsev M 0 0.0
Robert Ireland M 0 0.0
David Hulme M 0 0.0
Gregory Hope M 0 0.0
Mike Holober M 0 0.0
Jim Holden M 0 0.0
Nuala Higgins F 0 0.0
Rob Hemmel M 0 0.0
Marty Hawkes-Teeter M 0 0.0
George Hawes M 0 0.0
John Hartley M 0 0.0
Jerre Hansbrough M 0 0.0
Brian Haggerty M 0 0.0
Nick Gosling M 0 0.0
Sergei Gnatiouk M 0 0.0
Nadine Gilbert F 0 0.0
Steven Gelber M 0 0.0
Gail Gagarin F 0 0.0
Frank Ferraro M 0 0.0
Terry Farrah F 0 0.0
Chris Edmundson M 0 0.0
Alex Dudkevich M 0 0.0
Tomasz Deptula M 0 0.0
Michael Chiarella M 0 0.0
Chris Cassone M 0 0.0
Lisa Carr F 0 0.0
Joe Campbell M 0 0.0
Janice Cahalane F 0 0.0
Marie-Catherine Bruno F 0 0.0
Pierre Brassard M 0 0.0
Ryan Brackley M 0 0.0
Cameron Bowie M 0 0.0
Kirsten Begg F 0 0.0
Amy Bartoletti F 0 0.0
John Baglio M 0 0.0
Andrew Alford M 0 0.0
Greg Ahlswede M 0 0.0
Sandy Ahlswede F 0 0.0
Jennifer Adams F 0 0.0
First criterion for the ranking is the number of finishes, second is "points", where you basically get a point for everybody who finishes after you, and a half-point for everybody who DNFs.
No, I am not trying to add the longest post to AP ever. Just happened to be the fastest thing to do, instead of making a file and linking it.
Joe Brautigam M 13 574.0
J-J Coté M 13 531.5
Bernard Breton M 13 504.5
Peggy Dickison F 13 484.5
Charlie DeWeese M 13 417.0
Bob Bullions M 13 213.5
Jeff Saeger M 12 492.0
Pavlina Brautigam F 12 491.0
Glen Tryson M 12 305.0
Peter Goodwin M 12 268.5
Paul Regan M 11 170.5
Gregory Balter M 10 521.0
Peter Gagarin M 10 472.5
Rick DeWitt M 10 294.0
Sharon Crawford F 10 266.0
Glen Brake M 9 225.5
Daniel Schaublin M 8 403.0
Alan Young M 8 338.0
Phil Bricker M 8 239.0
Jim Henderson M 8 195.5
Susan DeWitt F 8 154.5
Ross Smith M 7 351.5
Ralf Becker M 7 200.5
Tim Good M 7 194.5
David Levine M 7 184.0
Rich Nietupski M 7 164.0
Eric Smith M 7 145.0
Barbara Bryant F 7 107.5
Jim Eagleton M 6 200.5
Kevin Clune M 6 87.0
Eddie Bergeron M 5 287.0
Boris Granovskiy M 5 273.0
Clem McGrath M 5 269.5
Randy Hall M 5 250.5
Nadim Ahmed M 5 241.0
Wyatt Riley M 5 240.5
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Jonathan Campbell M 5 210.5
Doug Gosling M 5 177.0
Jeremy Colgan M 5 141.0
Mairead Young F 5 67.0
Francis III Hogle M 5 63.0
Paul Beckwith M 5 57.0
Dean Sturtevant M 5 46.0
Francis Falardeau M 4 232.0
Steve Olafsen M 4 171.0
Karl Ahlswede M 4 149.5
Charles Leonard M 4 143.5
Paul Bisset M 4 142.5
Sam Levitin M 4 81.5
Susan Worthington F 4 69.5
Sandy Fillebrown F 4 47.0
Jon Nash M 4 35.5
Stephen Stibler M 4 30.5
William Hawkins M 3 185.5
Ken Jr. Walker M 3 176.0
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Vadim Masalkov M 3 167.5
John Fredrickson M 3 167.5
Jon Torrance M 3 164.5
Dmitriy Kourtchikov M 3 151.5
Misha Lipatov M 3 147.0
Hillary Saeger F 3 135.5
David Onkst M 3 133.0
Ken Sr. Walker M 3 126.0
Declan Hennelly M 3 124.5
Stefan Slutsky M 3 114.0
Patrick Shannon M 3 108.5
John Potter M 3 103.5
Scott Turner M 3 87.0
Mike Lyons M 3 82.0
Victoria Campbell F 3 74.0
Steve Worthington M 3 55.5
Dave Yee M 3 49.0
Bill Bryant M 3 41.0
Eric Cyr M 2 133.0
Vladimir Gusiatnikov M 2 106.0
Erin Nielsen F 2 102.5
Florin Tencariu M 2 92.5
Jordan Laughlin M 2 89.0
James Rayburn M 2 77.5
Dan Stoll-Hadayia M 2 76.5
Peter Polivka M 2 69.5
Michael Norris M 2 68.5
Shawn Soviak M 2 66.5
Sean Smith M 2 65.0
Suzanne Armstrong M 2 63.5
Tracey Olafsen F 2 63.5
John Goodwin M 2 60.5
Viktoria Brautigam F 2 60.5
Mark Cornish M 2 57.5
Valeriy Doverov M 2 57.5
Pepa Milusheva F 2 56.5
Mike Ball M 2 54.0
John Organek M 2 52.5
Piaras de Cléir M 2 52.5
Alan Griffith M 2 50.0
David Hoffman M 2 48.5
Ted McDonald M 2 46.0
Jeff Hutchinson M 2 39.5
George Hebner M 2 32.5
Ann Leonard F 2 26.0
Judy Dickinson F 2 25.0
Rich Fulton M 2 24.5
Michal Koucky M 2 18.5
Tracy Robertson F 2 17.5
Mary Smith F 2 16.0
Thomas Pelnar M 2 14.5
Dave Webber M 2 14.0
Igor Tchernykov M 1 66.5
Flavius Craciunas M 1 66.0
Balentin Kamenarov M 1 64.5
Leif Anderson M 1 64.0
Kroum Serguiev M 1 63.5
Eric Bone M 1 63.0
Georgi Gurgorov M 1 62.5
Pete Nelson M 1 60.5
Graeme Ackland M 1 60.0
Andis Vitolins M 1 59.0
Sergei Zhyk M 1 58.5
Mike Waddington M 1 58.5
Tom Bruce M 1 58.5
Mike Smith M 1 57.5
Marc Lauenstein M 1 56.5
Ed White M 1 56.0
Wil Smith M 1 55.5
Mihai Veres M 1 55.0
Alexei Azarov M 1 55.0
Per Svensson M 1 54.5
Matt Stuckey M 1 53.5
Doug DiCenzo M 1 53.5
Joshua Wiley M 1 53.0
Andrew Atkins M 1 52.5
Stefan Roehl M 1 51.5
Scott Pleban M 1 51.5
Paul Gates M 1 51.5
Alex Reiter M 1 51.0
Benoit Letourneau M 1 49.5
Thomas Callery M 1 49.5
Yuri Bezymianny M 1 49.5
Andrew Komm M 1 49.0
Jessica Rykken F 1 47.5
Jeremy McKnight M 1 46.5
Tom Carr M 1 46.5
Zach Taron M 1 45.0
Alar Ruutopõld M 1 44.5
Jennifer Shultis F 1 43.0
Mark Voit M 1 43.0
Brad Whitmore M 1 42.5
Zachary March M 1 42.5
Adam Rudner M 1 42.0
Clinton Morse M 1 42.0
Steven Fleisig M 1 41.5
Corinne Porter F 1 41.0
Evgenia Pangelova F 1 40.5
Nick Lewis-Walls M 1 40.0
Mark Walmsley M 1 40.0
Jitka Hostonska F 1 39.0
Josh Barten M 1 39.0
Pierre Tetreault M 1 38.5
Peter Grollman M 1 38.5
George Walker M 1 38.0
Brad Townsend M 1 38.0
Andy Hall M 1 38.0
Piers Newbery M 1 37.0
Greg Walker M 1 36.5
Matthew Mogensen M 1 35.5
Neil Marshall M 1 35.5
Orlin Stanev M 1 35.0
Ben Shean M 1 34.5
Tim Derrick M 1 34.5
Scott Bailey M 1 34.0
Pepi Stova F 1 33.5
Rick Oliver M 1 33.5
Mark Lwin M 1 33.5
Jonathan Neely M 1 33.0
Paul Caston M 1 32.5
Csaba Tiszttarto M 1 32.5
Patrick Gallagher M 1 31.0
Galina Verchinina F 1 30.5
Neal Trump M 1 30.5
Jason Trump M 1 30.5
Karin Knesaurek M 1 30.0
Justin Gosling M 1 30.0
Brian Caston M 1 29.0
Ian Tidswell M 1 27.5
James Perkins M 1 27.5
Brian Shepard M 1 26.5
Ted Lystig M 1 25.0
Nancy Koehler F 1 25.0
James Kerlin M 1 24.5
Jeff Schapiro M 1 23.0
Nathan Smith M 1 22.0
Phil Stearns M 1 21.5
Donna Fluegel F 1 21.5
Steve Fluegel M 1 21.5
Melissa Coombes F 1 21.5
Gyula Karolyi M 1 20.5
Barb Campbell F 1 20.0
Mike Derrick M 1 19.5
Bradley Hutchison M 1 19.0
Benjamin Bruder M 1 18.5
Lon McBride M 1 18.5
Sarah Klaben F 1 18.5
Chelsea Cunningham F 1 18.5
Ed Kotowski M 1 18.0
Petr Vohralik M 1 17.5
Michael Milgroom M 1 17.5
John Frey M 1 16.5
Erica Clarkson F 1 16.0
John Cummings M 1 16.0
Chris Ballou M 1 16.0
Chris O'Bara M 1 15.0
James Baker M 1 14.5
Craig Weber M 1 14.5
Zsuzsa Orban F 1 14.0
Mark Gardner M 1 13.5
Jose Aranda M 1 13.5
Raymond Chung M 1 13.0
Paul Smyth M 1 12.5
Ellen Stibler F 1 10.0
Melissa Dominguez F 1 10.0
Ben Dailey M 1 9.0
Tom Wagar M 1 8.0
Valerie Meyer F 1 8.0
Steve Berlin M 1 7.5
Sandy Schreyer F 0 0.0
Heidi Miller F 0 0.0
Dan Barker M 0 0.0
Zac Barker M 0 0.0
Dylan Thies M 0 0.0
Ruben Veliz M 0 0.0
R.A. Nifong M 0 0.0
Andrey Zorin M 0 0.0
Robert Wrazen M 0 0.0
Barry Wong M 0 0.0
Brice Wilson M 0 0.0
Karen Williams F 0 0.0
Kean Williams M 0 0.0
Rodney Villella M 0 0.0
Brian Sweeney M 0 0.0
Donna Sweeney F 0 0.0
Rick Sweeney M 0 0.0
Ed Stabler M 0 0.0
Kalmia Smith F 0 0.0
Jason Sheeley M 0 0.0
Judd Seals M 0 0.0
Scott Seals M 0 0.0
Roseanne Schwartz F 0 0.0
Burton Ryan M 0 0.0
Mayer Rubin M 0 0.0
Chris Rice M 0 0.0
Brian Rafferty M 0 0.0
Amanda Prager F 0 0.0
Brett Prager M 0 0.0
Shlomo Pessar M 0 0.0
Sergei Paziewski M 0 0.0
Jason Pattison M 0 0.0
Edwin Park M 0 0.0
Dick Opsahl M 0 0.0
Judy Opsahl F 0 0.0
Russel Nordquist M 0 0.0
Shabir Najmudin M 0 0.0
Craig Murray M 0 0.0
Jim Mertz M 0 0.0
Mark Merchant M 0 0.0
John Maier M 0 0.0
Catharina Lindsey F 0 0.0
Serge Lessard M 0 0.0
John Lee M 0 0.0
Julia Leder F 0 0.0
Mikhail Leder M 0 0.0
Kirill Kourtchikov M 0 0.0
Daniel Kennedy M 0 0.0
Terry Keegan M 0 0.0
Yuri Karno M 0 0.0
Petri Karenlampi M 0 0.0
Kevin Jersey M 0 0.0
Valeri Iskortsev M 0 0.0
Robert Ireland M 0 0.0
David Hulme M 0 0.0
Gregory Hope M 0 0.0
Mike Holober M 0 0.0
Jim Holden M 0 0.0
Nuala Higgins F 0 0.0
Rob Hemmel M 0 0.0
Marty Hawkes-Teeter M 0 0.0
George Hawes M 0 0.0
John Hartley M 0 0.0
Jerre Hansbrough M 0 0.0
Brian Haggerty M 0 0.0
Nick Gosling M 0 0.0
Sergei Gnatiouk M 0 0.0
Nadine Gilbert F 0 0.0
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Frank Ferraro M 0 0.0
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Michael Chiarella M 0 0.0
Chris Cassone M 0 0.0
Lisa Carr F 0 0.0
Joe Campbell M 0 0.0
Janice Cahalane F 0 0.0
Marie-Catherine Bruno F 0 0.0
Pierre Brassard M 0 0.0
Ryan Brackley M 0 0.0
Cameron Bowie M 0 0.0
Kirsten Begg F 0 0.0
Amy Bartoletti F 0 0.0
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Sandy Ahlswede F 0 0.0
Jennifer Adams F 0 0.0
Oct 14, 2009 9:20 PM
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For the record, Dave Onkst and I "tried" to tie. As documented on one of the YouTube videos, however, he punched before me, not the other way around.
And, despite my terrible time (I hurt my knee on the way to #1), I agree that this was among the easier Highlanders. I suspect that it comes down to the fact that the long legs gave lots of dead running time as much as anything else.
And, despite my terrible time (I hurt my knee on the way to #1), I agree that this was among the easier Highlanders. I suspect that it comes down to the fact that the long legs gave lots of dead running time as much as anything else.
Oct 15, 2009 1:48 AM
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Craig Weber shows up in the Lowlander results, but with punches for the Highlander. Mis-registered?
Oct 15, 2009 3:54 AM
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CW upgraded from LL to HH as I wrote above. The AP results and the splits were done before we figured this error (once I get updated file, I will post them). I manually corrected the non split regular results on the HVO web site.
Oct 15, 2009 3:01 PM
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The most painful part of this year's race was the mental anguish of having to run so far on a trail through the finest piece of orienteering terrain on the continent. :)
Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM
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I thought that Surebridge was the finest piece of orienteering terrain in the world??
Oct 15, 2009 9:28 PM
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Eddie, which route did you take to #1 and from #3 to #4? The trail options are not necessarily the fastest ones, that was part of the trick... Wyatt was 2:15 faster than you from the start to #1, going up to the saddle west of the line and then down the reentrant.
On 3 - 4 I think the eastern route around the mountain, crossing the stream up to the bottle cap trail be the fastest for a good navigator. Less climb than the western route.
On 3 - 4 I think the eastern route around the mountain, crossing the stream up to the bottle cap trail be the fastest for a good navigator. Less climb than the western route.
Oct 15, 2009 9:52 PM
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I was referring only to the trail run itself. I thought the rest of the orienteering was just fine - especially leg 4 (I went exactly the way you described - alone and very enjoyable). I ran leg 1 blind. Didn't even know where I was until about halfway there.
I don't object to the trail run in the Highlander. I think its a fine thing to have and I like the tradition of it even if there's no real reason for it. But its painful to run so long on a trail when there's god's gift to orienteers slipping past on both sides for so long. I can't attest to Surebridge being the best in the world - I certainly think it is. I know for sure its the best in N.A. It is such sweet terrain and so well mapped. It usually kicks my butt, but occasionally you get a good flow running through it and its simply bliss. Its a feast for the mind. Ahhhh...
I don't object to the trail run in the Highlander. I think its a fine thing to have and I like the tradition of it even if there's no real reason for it. But its painful to run so long on a trail when there's god's gift to orienteers slipping past on both sides for so long. I can't attest to Surebridge being the best in the world - I certainly think it is. I know for sure its the best in N.A. It is such sweet terrain and so well mapped. It usually kicks my butt, but occasionally you get a good flow running through it and its simply bliss. Its a feast for the mind. Ahhhh...
Oct 15, 2009 11:16 PM
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@ feet: These results all seem to be helping confirm that this year's Highlander was the wussiest one ever, and 2003 was the toughest yet.
I got 4 last analyzed and last one is on a tough side GV-wise
2009 - 28400
2008 - 28800
2007 - 26800
2006 - 26900
Enjoy
@ piutepro: Do you have CSV data of the rest?
I got 4 last analyzed and last one is on a tough side GV-wise
2009 - 28400
2008 - 28800
2007 - 26800
2006 - 26900
Enjoy
@ piutepro: Do you have CSV data of the rest?
Oct 16, 2009 2:06 AM
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I have all Highlander times in a single spreadsheet, which I will be forwarding to piutepro as soon as I doublecheck a few things. Bear in mind that GVs across a span of years are a bit questionable, since people get older and slow down (or in some cases, get better). Looking at the times of the six people who have completed all of the Highlanders would probably lead you to think that the courses have been getting harder and harder, when in fact the people have just been steadily getting more decrepit.
Oct 16, 2009 2:48 AM
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As you might noticed I normalize to the "average" person, who supposedly is getting better with time (food, medicine etc)
so the GV would go lower with time..
On the other side, there is a negative trend related to more and more beginner people in the database in the recent years versus only elite people in the database in older years, which drives average person down.
Currently only data 2005+ is more or less stable, while scores back in time will be lower by as much as 15% (and corresponding GV lower) just because average recorded runner at that time was elite runner (given 50 points by definition...)
If I ever get all data from local clubs, we can fix that problem (I think data back to 2000 can be reasonably recuperated)
so the GV would go lower with time..
On the other side, there is a negative trend related to more and more beginner people in the database in the recent years versus only elite people in the database in older years, which drives average person down.
Currently only data 2005+ is more or less stable, while scores back in time will be lower by as much as 15% (and corresponding GV lower) just because average recorded runner at that time was elite runner (given 50 points by definition...)
If I ever get all data from local clubs, we can fix that problem (I think data back to 2000 can be reasonably recuperated)
Oct 16, 2009 3:09 AM
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No, neither me or you can get it (or it is going to be illegal)
But the fact that I'm slower than many of our M60+ is a medicine... or name it...
But the fact that I'm slower than many of our M60+ is a medicine... or name it...
Oct 17, 2009 11:21 PM
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SV:
Here is some pictures from Highlander
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33689026@N08/sets/721...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33689026@N08/sets/721...
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