Discussion: Champions
in: BAOC: Truckee A-meet (Sep 18–20, 2015 - Truckee, CA, US)
Sep 20, 2015 9:59 PM
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Alison Crocker and Sergei Zhyk won the Classic Champs titles today (unofficial but fairly sure)
Sep 20, 2015 11:04 PM
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I found sprint and day 1 results on Winsplits (look on 2015-09-18 for Northstar sprint, 2015-09-19 for Day 1). I suspect the rest will have to wait until meet staff gets home.
http://obasen.orientering.se/winsplits/online/en/
And I could tell you who won F60, but I suspect you're not interested in that class. :-)
http://obasen.orientering.se/winsplits/online/en/
And I could tell you who won F60, but I suspect you're not interested in that class. :-)
Sep 20, 2015 11:09 PM
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Sergei also won in 2005, 2011-12, with Ali champion also in 2011-12. Two day Champions
Sep 21, 2015 5:40 PM
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bmay:
Nice work Alison and Sergei. Some big mistakes all around on Day 1. Curious to see the maps.
Sep 22, 2015 5:13 PM
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The results have been posted for each day, but I think the organizers are still working on the combined ones. The maps will eventually be posted on BAOC's RouteGadget, but they are not up yet.
Very fun courses with both good route choice and technical navigation.
Very fun courses with both good route choice and technical navigation.
Sep 22, 2015 7:28 PM
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All Sierra Classic 2015 courses (Sprint and the U.S. Classic Champs) are now available on RouteGadget. Visit baoc.org/wiki/RouteGadget for introduction or go directly to baoc.org/gadget/cgi/reitti.cgi to draw your route.
Sep 23, 2015 8:53 PM
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as course setter for day 1 I wouldn't mind feedback about the courses, especially from the champions. :)
Sep 24, 2015 5:06 PM
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AliC completely decimated red course competition Sunday posting excellent time and winning hands down 10 legs from 16! I think she was capable to brake 1 hour with perfect execution. She showed higher speed than any of blue runners! She is truly world class athlete. Bravo!
Sep 24, 2015 6:03 PM
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US 2-day Champs results on BAOC website. I'll get the champions listing on OUSA updated later today.
Sep 25, 2015 1:02 AM
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Nikdanger - I know how hard it can be to design proper courses, but I will list my thumbs up and thumbs down things below:
Thumbs down:
1) Understated advertised climb by a wide margin. Curious how it was calculated on the Blue course.
2) Massive climb right from the start. And climbing pretty much didn't stop until #9. i am fairly fit, but I walked a lot on this section of the course. Orienteering is fun when it is speedy not when it is slow. Situating the start at a higher point would've been more ideal.
3) It was Classic Champs, but the course had 25 controls thus not really allowing for a healthy amount of long legs.
4) Controls on 0.5m boulders. Control #6 was pretty unfair given that stumps that littered the opening were taller than the rock.
5) Unopened control circles that covered distinct features.
Thumps up:
1) The course had proper length!
2) There was a good a mount of direction changes.
3) Finish was near the parking lot.
4) Though only one, the long leg had a number of route choices.
Overall, my biggest gripe was the massive climb to #2 that didn't add much value as it wasn't a technical leg.
Thumbs down:
1) Understated advertised climb by a wide margin. Curious how it was calculated on the Blue course.
2) Massive climb right from the start. And climbing pretty much didn't stop until #9. i am fairly fit, but I walked a lot on this section of the course. Orienteering is fun when it is speedy not when it is slow. Situating the start at a higher point would've been more ideal.
3) It was Classic Champs, but the course had 25 controls thus not really allowing for a healthy amount of long legs.
4) Controls on 0.5m boulders. Control #6 was pretty unfair given that stumps that littered the opening were taller than the rock.
5) Unopened control circles that covered distinct features.
Thumps up:
1) The course had proper length!
2) There was a good a mount of direction changes.
3) Finish was near the parking lot.
4) Though only one, the long leg had a number of route choices.
Overall, my biggest gripe was the massive climb to #2 that didn't add much value as it wasn't a technical leg.
Sep 25, 2015 4:31 AM
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1) Understated advertised climb by a wide margin. Curious how it was calculated on the Blue course.
Although I wasn't there, this is common practice (and indeed I think proper method) that climb is calculated not on the straight line route, but on a route that a runner may be expected to take (I disagree with this but then I am wrong).
2) Massive climb right from the start.
You should have been at the ACT champs this year! Climb to the first control was insane, unless you took the route that a runner may be expected to take and avoided the climb that wasn't mentioned.
4) Controls on 0.5m boulders. Control #6 was pretty unfair given that stumps that littered the opening were taller than the rock.
You should have been at the ACT champs this year! A control on a 0.5m termite mound hidden by 1m scrub was nasty.
5) Unopened control circles that covered distinct features.
A fair comment.
Although I wasn't there, this is common practice (and indeed I think proper method) that climb is calculated not on the straight line route, but on a route that a runner may be expected to take (I disagree with this but then I am wrong).
2) Massive climb right from the start.
You should have been at the ACT champs this year! Climb to the first control was insane, unless you took the route that a runner may be expected to take and avoided the climb that wasn't mentioned.
4) Controls on 0.5m boulders. Control #6 was pretty unfair given that stumps that littered the opening were taller than the rock.
You should have been at the ACT champs this year! A control on a 0.5m termite mound hidden by 1m scrub was nasty.
5) Unopened control circles that covered distinct features.
A fair comment.
Sep 25, 2015 5:24 PM
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AliC is amazing,,,but so is Mikell P. He missed repeating as mens elite champion by 36 seconds and he'll be eligible for Social Security in a few years.
Sep 27, 2015 5:41 AM
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We do not mention it much, usually complain when it is bad, but map printing quality for all 3 day was exceptional. Please, share your secret (or vendor).
@ tRicky : if it is done in Australia too, it still does not make it fair :), and bare in mind this was at 2100 m base elevation, thin air, etc.
@ tRicky : if it is done in Australia too, it still does not make it fair :), and bare in mind this was at 2100 m base elevation, thin air, etc.
Sep 27, 2015 4:44 PM
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thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it--
I calculated climb by "ideal route," which to me means a lot of contouring especially at this altitude. I should have mentioned this in the CS notes but it is standard in the steep bay area so I didn't think about it-- there were other complaints about it too and I apologize for that. As such, the minimum climb to #2 would have been 40m (south around the hill) but I did add in a couple more contours in the calculation to cut the corner some where it is less steep north of 24 and past those cliffs. Although in retrospect I was sitting at the downloading area on sunday and I did think that maybe I should have had the start up on top of those hills maybe above the saddle control which would have made a bit less climb but would have made it difficult to get a W/Y course in there.... that OOB area didn't help either-- had to funnel everyone through a small area.
#3 I agree, all of my long legs coming back were too close to trails/roads though so I had to add a couple controls in. Initially I had 15-18 as a long leg but the course consultants didn't like the north road route. though 15-17 might have worked.... I did like 9-10 though, that was fun. what route did you take?
#4 I thought going up the trail afforded a close enough attack point through the open scattered trees for #6. agree that the rocks are not well mapped in some areas though and the stumps are the same exact color making it difficult to tell the difference. for some reason that is common in the Tahoe area, not sure why they weather grey like that. I tried to make any 0.5-1.0m boulder controls (7, 14 and 16) obvious and distinct (like low but at least a couple m wide or on an obvious vegetation boundary or cluster of boulders)
#5 I tried to break the circles, which ones did I miss, if you have the map handy? maybe it didn't print well-- I didn't look at the printed maps that closely....
our printer is bob cooley, he prints all of the baoc maps and I'm not sure how he does it. He does a really good job, I just send him the file and he chooses paper size, etc. and puts the control descriptions in appropriate spots.
Thanks again!
Nik
I calculated climb by "ideal route," which to me means a lot of contouring especially at this altitude. I should have mentioned this in the CS notes but it is standard in the steep bay area so I didn't think about it-- there were other complaints about it too and I apologize for that. As such, the minimum climb to #2 would have been 40m (south around the hill) but I did add in a couple more contours in the calculation to cut the corner some where it is less steep north of 24 and past those cliffs. Although in retrospect I was sitting at the downloading area on sunday and I did think that maybe I should have had the start up on top of those hills maybe above the saddle control which would have made a bit less climb but would have made it difficult to get a W/Y course in there.... that OOB area didn't help either-- had to funnel everyone through a small area.
#3 I agree, all of my long legs coming back were too close to trails/roads though so I had to add a couple controls in. Initially I had 15-18 as a long leg but the course consultants didn't like the north road route. though 15-17 might have worked.... I did like 9-10 though, that was fun. what route did you take?
#4 I thought going up the trail afforded a close enough attack point through the open scattered trees for #6. agree that the rocks are not well mapped in some areas though and the stumps are the same exact color making it difficult to tell the difference. for some reason that is common in the Tahoe area, not sure why they weather grey like that. I tried to make any 0.5-1.0m boulder controls (7, 14 and 16) obvious and distinct (like low but at least a couple m wide or on an obvious vegetation boundary or cluster of boulders)
#5 I tried to break the circles, which ones did I miss, if you have the map handy? maybe it didn't print well-- I didn't look at the printed maps that closely....
our printer is bob cooley, he prints all of the baoc maps and I'm not sure how he does it. He does a really good job, I just send him the file and he chooses paper size, etc. and puts the control descriptions in appropriate spots.
Thanks again!
Nik
Sep 27, 2015 6:25 PM
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The printing wasn't as good as good offset, but better than poor offset I sometimes
see. I used 4 inkjet Epsons.
B-310N (fast and reliable)
R2880 old but still pretty good
R3000 better
Pro 4900 troublesome, but brillant green
on dull coated stock S041062
see. I used 4 inkjet Epsons.
B-310N (fast and reliable)
R2880 old but still pretty good
R3000 better
Pro 4900 troublesome, but brillant green
on dull coated stock S041062
Sep 28, 2015 8:51 PM
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Thank you. Another question: was it printed direct from OCAD or Condes or via other graphic software, using exported files?
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