Discussion: New technology required
in: Bruce; Bruce > 2013-09-28
Oct 1, 2013 1:37 AM
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It has happened to me. It has happened to many. Better technical solutions are out there. One day the sport will have to adopt them.
Oct 1, 2013 4:56 AM
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http://www.attackpoint.org/discussionthread.jsp/me...
The IOF rule 20.5 which has been adopted by OA as 20.7 should not be used for Junior classes (or non-WRE classes in general):
*A competitor with a control punch missing or unidentifiable shall not be placed
unless it can be established with certainty that the punch missing or unidentifiable is not the competitor’s fault. In this exceptional circumstance, other evidence may be used to prove that the competitor visited the control, such as evidence from control officials or cameras or read-out from the control unit. In all other circumstances, such evidence is not acceptable and the competitor must be disqualified. In the case of SportIdent, this rule means that:
• If one unit is not working, or appears not to be working, a competitor must use
the backup provided and will be disqualified if no punch is recorded.
• If a competitor punches too fast and fails to receive the feedback signals, the card will not contain the punch and the competitor must be disqualified (even though the control unit may have recorded the competitor’s card number)
The IOF rule 20.5 which has been adopted by OA as 20.7 should not be used for Junior classes (or non-WRE classes in general):
*A competitor with a control punch missing or unidentifiable shall not be placed
unless it can be established with certainty that the punch missing or unidentifiable is not the competitor’s fault. In this exceptional circumstance, other evidence may be used to prove that the competitor visited the control, such as evidence from control officials or cameras or read-out from the control unit. In all other circumstances, such evidence is not acceptable and the competitor must be disqualified. In the case of SportIdent, this rule means that:
• If one unit is not working, or appears not to be working, a competitor must use
the backup provided and will be disqualified if no punch is recorded.
• If a competitor punches too fast and fails to receive the feedback signals, the card will not contain the punch and the competitor must be disqualified (even though the control unit may have recorded the competitor’s card number)
Oct 3, 2013 11:55 PM
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Isn't it something like 0.06 sec for the SI card to write to the unit then another 0.06 sec for the unit to write to the card?
Oct 4, 2013 3:35 AM
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Not if someone has just punched. Favouring one-half of the electronic system over the personal story, the other half of the electronic system, eye-witness testimony and video or photographic evidence might be appropriate for the media savvy IOF to be able to declare results instantaneously to the waiting media for the World Championships. It is not appropriate at all for 10 year olds looking for what sport they may take up in the future.
Oct 4, 2013 4:19 AM
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Spot on. Not a good experience for a 10 year old. But it can also piss off a 50 year old.
I have been told that as batteries in the units age, the recovery time lengthens. Punching an older (battery life) unit immediately after others have punched the same unit increases the risk. This is mostly likely to happen at a last control. Or in my case first control in a mass start sprint event (Dubbo zoo). I wasn't that irked at being dnfed in that minor event. I was pissed off at being told with confidence that the only explanation was that I had missed a control. I am still struggling to think of a scenario where one could explain missing the first control in a mass start sprint? I suspect that is a challenge for a comedian.
I have also been told stories of the extremely fast response time of the chinese designed non-SI units. Modern technology. Much cheaper as well.
I have been told that as batteries in the units age, the recovery time lengthens. Punching an older (battery life) unit immediately after others have punched the same unit increases the risk. This is mostly likely to happen at a last control. Or in my case first control in a mass start sprint event (Dubbo zoo). I wasn't that irked at being dnfed in that minor event. I was pissed off at being told with confidence that the only explanation was that I had missed a control. I am still struggling to think of a scenario where one could explain missing the first control in a mass start sprint? I suspect that is a challenge for a comedian.
I have also been told stories of the extremely fast response time of the chinese designed non-SI units. Modern technology. Much cheaper as well.
Oct 6, 2013 7:32 AM
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I agree with Oxoman especially on a technical point when it is obvious that there is a technical problem
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