Yea, you can't get much more un-PC than that.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be caught on tape saying that, though I suppose writing it in my log is just as bad. But it's the first thing that popped into my head after reading the Earth Hour thread this morning.
I wondered what it was that prompted that comment...!
I knew. I think Cristina and I have both been biting our tongues equally hard, but it's difficult not to jump in every once in awhile.
I haven't been biting hard enough.
Different opinions on what to do about climate change I can handle with some amount of grace. It's when we get to the science that I feel like it gets personal. And I get mad.
Hammer teaches a 3rd year university course on the science of climate change (which I took last year for "fun"). His tongue is probably bleeding by now.
were my advisors in grad school. Sometimes I want to borrow them for a good smackdown.
OMG is right, but for different reasons than perhaps Kissy intended.
"Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the 'body
of fact' [linking smoking with disease] that exists in the mind of the general
public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy...if we are
successful in establishing a controversy at the public level, there is an
opportunity to put across the real facts about smoking and health."
-- internal memo at Brown and Williams, marketing consultants for the tobacco industry
The scary part is that they are now turning it into an art form.
I notice that orienteers tend (TEND) to be highly edicated (sic) accountants, engineers, analysts, mathematicians, software dudes & dudettes... I think sometimes some folk maybe are just over-mesmerized by their respective analytical fortes, their most customary & comfortable methods of dealing w data/the universe and all, & tend to flit by the fascinating & meaty matter that is actually being discussed. I say, there's a time to deliberate, and there's a time to joyously jump - get into it like a pig in mud !! cook some beans, ride a bike, make a mistake sure, but find something to do and start the ball rolling in the right direction or some approximation thereof, be done with dither & discuss, jump, jump, just jump, ya silly things! Come on, say it, say "by gosh, I'm gonna...buy me some bamboo sheets!"
Hey wait, this is Cristina's log, not the Earth Hour thread...you keep pushing the science, Ms C !!
Hah! Christina. I see how it is. You want to be cool kid in the back of the room, but just have to raise your hand.... and now you need a dirty joke to reestablish the social hierarchy. ;-)
Now, enough log hijacking. Back to my environmental engineering homework... Thats the class were I learn to engineer environments!
we all know that rather large numbers of people come & look at her log every day & C knows this too; in this case, personal log is (somewhat arbitrarily) functioning as a "private" forum for more, um.... personal, frustrated comments, thus keeping the more "public" forum under Earth day on a relatively gracious & non-flaming keel, which is a good idea.
we all know that rather large numbers of people come & look at her log every day
Of course! Cause Christina's the cool kid! And we love her for it - makes us look cooler by association. There was no offense meant by my comment, I know her frustration completely. I just enjoy the cynical spin on things.
I think of the cynics as being on the *other* side of this debate. But agreed, I've never seen a debate on this topic go anywhere useful - either on or off the Internet. When it comes to the science, there is no substantial debate at this point. So any debates occur in that realm outside science, and usually those are the types of debates where people don't budge from their initial position.