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Discussion: Sea to Sea 2021 (Florida)

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Feb 23, 2021 10:59 PM # 
Conman:
Who's using this race to tune up for dot watching at GodZone? Starts mid-day tomorrow Florida-time.

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Feb 24, 2021 12:43 AM # 
JayXC:
I’m pretty sure the start is Thursday not Wednesday, unless you think today is Wednesday- in which case then you’re correct. ;-)
Feb 24, 2021 3:23 AM # 
Conman:
Fair enough. To be more specific, check-in starts mid-day Wednesday.
Feb 24, 2021 2:29 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Yes!!! We've got some skin in the game this year, so we will be doing lots of commentary on the Strong Machine AR Facebook page.
Feb 24, 2021 11:25 PM # 
Conman:
~300 racers and 104 teams. Pent up racing community exploding out of the gate?
Feb 24, 2021 11:40 PM # 
Conman:
Pre-race briefing in progress live on FB right now.
Feb 25, 2021 3:17 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Tracking is live!
Feb 25, 2021 3:19 PM # 
Conman:
Teams are all queued up at the start...dunno when the gun will go of, but it's gonna be really soon.
Feb 25, 2021 3:25 PM # 
Conman:
Race has started at roughly 10:23am. Let the dot watching commence. Looking forward to Randy's video updates, too...I guess.
Feb 25, 2021 3:39 PM # 
StrongMachine:
haha, he caught a guy in full lube-slathering action in his pre-race video from the start.
Feb 25, 2021 3:42 PM # 
Conman:
Yeah, saw that, too. Was thinking I'd try to ID that racer for posterity in a short bit.
Feb 25, 2021 3:47 PM # 
silkychrome:
top ten predictions from my newly-created FB Page/Group "Armchair AR"

Page - https://www.facebook.com/armchairAR/ (updates from me/admins)
Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/429019948330400 (group chatter on how wrong the updates are :) )
Feb 25, 2021 3:49 PM # 
Conman:
Ok - Update: Pretty sure the lube session was Roy Malone of Team Bones...go figure.
Feb 25, 2021 4:07 PM # 
Conman:
The first TA (easy grab-n-go to bikes with no bins) and the first CP have been bagged! And the field is already getting strung out considerably. Yay!

Thanks to the volunteers who will be supporting this massive field of racers! Gonna be some long days at later TAs and staffed CPs given the size of this field.
Feb 25, 2021 4:10 PM # 
Conman:
Although this race and others coming up soon (looking at you GodZone) are going to be great to follow, I'm finding myself a bit less "engaged" than usual for these expedition length races. I think that's partly due to the lack of international flavor...damn you Covid!
Feb 25, 2021 4:14 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Was there a livestream of the start? If so, I missed it. Anyone have a link?
Feb 25, 2021 4:17 PM # 
Conman:
First micro-nav blunder: Good 'Nuff was in the lead but missed the turn to CP2. Bones didn't miss it and has assumed the lead.
Feb 25, 2021 4:18 PM # 
Conman:
No video yet. I think Randy was recording editable video instead of streaming it. He's now neck deep in filming the bike transition and launch for everyone. Then I bet he finds a quiet place to throw together a race start edit.
Feb 25, 2021 4:21 PM # 
Conman:
Now Greenpack/Haku has missed a turn between CP1 & 2.
Feb 25, 2021 4:26 PM # 
Conman:
...and others are following their lead...must be tough call at the intersection. Absolute Ninjas and Three Dumb Monkeys. C'mon teams...spend a bit of time to reorient your maps!
Feb 25, 2021 4:29 PM # 
Conman:
Also seems that Dave's Discretionary Logic missed the very first turn out of transition. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt...maybe they were aiming to just bag TAs and skip the harder navigation...but now they've turned back. OOPS!

EDIT: Maybe they have reconsidered...now they are moving around CPs 1-3 on bigger arterial roads.
Feb 25, 2021 4:57 PM # 
Conman:
Tower racing has missed the right turn between CP2 & 3. Oops!
Feb 25, 2021 5:12 PM # 
Conman:
Oh geez - Randy Ericksen is WAY off course! I bet he lost his map already. RANDY: Don't trust the GPS nav. in your rental car!!!
Feb 25, 2021 5:26 PM # 
Conman:
MRC is no longer on the tracking site. Their tracker was stuck on the beach for awhile after the start. Willing to bet that Mark Harris is working to get them a replacement tracker...perhaps at TA1. Of course, that's the optimist in me...I sure hope they haven't withdrawn already.
Feb 25, 2021 5:51 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Leaders are coming up to TA 1 and I believe they get to choose which order they want to attack the mini-foot/bike/paddle section here.
Feb 25, 2021 5:56 PM # 
abiperk:
Mark Harris confirmed tracker issue for MRC on FB.
Feb 25, 2021 6:11 PM # 
Conman:
MRC's tracker is back online #126. It's currently the wrong category by color (shows green which is Coed; should be orange for Open), but at least we know where they are!
Feb 25, 2021 6:12 PM # 
StrongMachine:
I think that's because they were originally a co-ed team, but teammate Rachel ended up not racing.
Feb 25, 2021 6:21 PM # 
Conman:
Their tracker was the right color when it was stalled at the start. Minor issue, for sure.

In other news it looks like Good'Nuff's tracker is hiding, now. Yay for transitions where packs get scrambled and trackers end up buried.
Feb 25, 2021 6:24 PM # 
Conman:
Not yet totally clear what mode of travel Bones is currently using, but it seems like they elected the bike O' first and have been on a bit of a hunt to get on the right path South.

It does appear that they have already located CP14 on the foot O'. I wonder if they will have to return on foot to punch it...not clear how the maps and punch cards for this are being handled.
Feb 25, 2021 6:26 PM # 
StrongMachine:
It would be logical for them to want stay on the bike so as not to change out of their gear, though the paddle might also have made sense so they could have their pick of boats.
Feb 25, 2021 6:29 PM # 
Conman:
MRC and ARGeorgia are catching up to Bones in a hurry with expert nav. on the all the tracks in this bike o' area. Using some local knowledge maybe?
Feb 25, 2021 6:42 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Looks like our guys are going canoe first, will create an interesting split in the field.
Feb 25, 2021 6:48 PM # 
Conman:
Holy cow, CP15 is giving the lead teams fits! Only Good'Nuff seems to have found it promptly. Classic case of flat terrain in the trees with either too many tracks or no tracks to throw off any sense of location once you're deep in there. Bones went back out to the road to the East, presumably to relocate, but that won't even be great since the road is pretty much a straight line for quite a ways.
Feb 25, 2021 6:56 PM # 
Conman:
Uh oh! SM seems to have pulled back out of the water...hope it's just for pee break. Are they in inflatables for this paddle O' leg...?
Feb 25, 2021 6:57 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Not sure, but it looks like they might be walking on the road back to the TA...gear malfunction possibly?
Feb 25, 2021 6:59 PM # 
Conman:
Yes, gear snafu is my hunch as well...hence my inflatable boat question. I guess a hard shell boat could leak, too. If it's not the boat, why are they walking? is my thinking.
Feb 25, 2021 7:07 PM # 
StrongMachine:
ARGeorgia provides all the boats (1 canoe per 3-person team, 2 canoes for 4-person teams), and I found them to be of decent quality in last year's race.
Feb 25, 2021 7:09 PM # 
Conman:
I saw the trailer full of tandem canoes that could seat 3 and maybe even 4 in a pinch). Just don't know if those are available for this leg or only for the longer legs.
Feb 25, 2021 7:11 PM # 
StrongMachine:
This is a pretty long paddle leg - 18-20 miles, and packrafts were not mandatory gear, so I'm assuming all water legs will be in ARGeorgia boats.

Looks like they may have forgotten some mandatory gear as they are now returning via the road to their boat.
Feb 25, 2021 7:13 PM # 
Conman:
Bummer! Passport? They clearly have their map and tracker. Good to see them moving back to the boat.
Feb 25, 2021 7:16 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Bones and MRC are struggling while Good 'Nuff is ripping through the bike section. Interesting to see what the splits are after this mini-leg as they left TA nearly together.
Feb 25, 2021 7:44 PM # 
Conman:
Randy just posted a video at the paddle O' put in. The boats that teams are using are not the tandem canoes that we're visible at race check-in. Instead it looks like they have fatty hardshell kayaks.
Feb 25, 2021 7:51 PM # 
Conman:
Rules of Travel and Racer maps are now available via the info button on the tracking site. Woohoo!

Quoting Adventure Enablers: "Some maps and additional instructions are handed out on the course. These are not posted. Read through the ROT and it will all make sense."
Feb 25, 2021 7:58 PM # 
Conman:
Looking at the Bike O' maps (link above Map #7): Whoa, this trail system looks fun, but super hard for Bike O' route choice. Also good to see that some of the roads are off limits to travel.
Feb 25, 2021 8:05 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Agreed, and interesting on the boats, Conman.
Feb 25, 2021 8:16 PM # 
Conman:
Good'Nuff has cleared the Bike O' and is back at TA1. Now we see which way they choose to go next and how that choice affects the ability of trailing teams on the Bike O' trying to catch them.
Feb 25, 2021 8:23 PM # 
StrongMachine:
They have been flawless so far.
Feb 25, 2021 8:29 PM # 
Conman:
Holy moly! The TA is SO CROWDED right now. I can only imagine the chaos those volunteers are trying to manage.
Feb 25, 2021 8:34 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Looks like Good Nuff chose foot.
Feb 25, 2021 8:35 PM # 
StrongMachine:
AR Georgia also heading back to the TA, in front of Bones and MRC.
Feb 25, 2021 8:36 PM # 
Conman:
Both MRC and ARGeorgia and headed back to TA now, with ARGeorgia maybe 30 min behind Good'Nuff?
Feb 25, 2021 8:42 PM # 
Conman:
Can Bones home in on CP15? They are headed back in that direction now.
Feb 25, 2021 9:13 PM # 
Conman:
Bones is a couple dozen meters away from CP15 at the last ping from their tracker. Fingers crossed for them!
Feb 25, 2021 9:18 PM # 
Conman:
Bones seems to have bagged it! In other news, ARGeorgia is paddling now. MRC still hasn't chosen between foot and paddle. So, the actual lead will be bit unclear for quite a few more hours...after all these team pick their bikes up again and head off for TA2.
Feb 25, 2021 9:18 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Looks like Good Nuff's lead over MRC and AR Georgia is ~40 minutes, with MRC still in TA and AR Georgia off on the paddle, going south first.
Feb 25, 2021 9:20 PM # 
StrongMachine:
The question out of this section will be, is the lead being built up by these three teams significant enough to put them ahead for good?

At the race briefing, RD Jeff said he expected just 4-5 teams to clear. I suspect there will be more than that, but if I'm wrong, this little section here could be the difference-maker.
Feb 25, 2021 9:27 PM # 
Conman:
Really, really hard to say. These mini-O' sections are certainly eating up a lot of time that doesn't close the distance to the finish line. Nobody has opted to entirely skip these O' courses...yet. So I guess it's safe to say the teams feel confident in their available time to get across the finish line under course closure time.
Feb 25, 2021 9:32 PM # 
Conman:
Just noticed that Team Onyx and a couple others have overshot the Northern-most paddle CP by a couple km's and they've gone off the North end of Map #6. Ouch! Looks like they've caught on and are turning around.
Feb 25, 2021 10:25 PM # 
Conman:
First paddle section split: CP Psychosis with Eric Olson just cleared it petty efficiently and it took them almost exactly 3.5 hours.

Meant to do this earlier for Good'Nuff on the bike O' but got distracted...Now I can do it for them on both the bike (2:20 split) and the foot O' (~1:25).
Feb 25, 2021 10:35 PM # 
Conman:
Look out on the water! It seems that Randy Ericksen is prowling around in the falling light in a power boat.
Feb 25, 2021 10:58 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
After comparing a previous edition's race map builder maps vs. USGS + overlay, I can't fault anyone for making a wrong turn.

Feb 26, 2021 12:16 AM # 
Conman:
The first couple of teams are breaking away from the pack playing near TA1. They didn't clear all the mini O' courses, but they did both execute on the foot O', which is the quickest set of points (4) to gather when compared to the bike and paddle points. Maybe that'll pay dividends later.
Feb 26, 2021 12:29 AM # 
Conman:
Strong machine is just about ready to move on to part 3 of the mini-O' odyssey: biking. They've cleaned house on the other two sections (one foot CP left at this writing, they'll bag it in a few minutes) with the only major issue being that oopsie at the beginning of the paddle. The appear to be moving along well and were mostly super efficient route on the foot-O'.
Feb 26, 2021 12:43 AM # 
Conman:
About 4 hours on the paddle for AR Georgia, who've just dropped their boats.
Feb 26, 2021 2:13 AM # 
Conman:
Good'Nuff is the first team to finish the O' section having (presumably) cleared the entire course to this point. They will probably be the first to leave for CP2 with a full passport. Seems like the next nearest teams are AR Georgia (2 more trek CPs) and Bones (3 more trek CPs) but perhaps not in that order...ARG appears to have more ground to cover for their 2 vs the 3 Bones still needs to punch.
Feb 26, 2021 2:28 AM # 
Conman:
Strong Machine seems to have also missed CP15 and is now working out how to find CP16...in the dark. It's going to be doubly (or more) difficult in that terrain.
Feb 26, 2021 2:31 AM # 
Conman:
Whole glut of soloists (including the top three) and a few other teams currently in the hunt for CP15 and it's really, really ugly. The tracks make me feel seasick.
Feb 26, 2021 2:49 AM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Where has Good Enough Raced before? the name seems like I know it from somewhere but I don't remember where. They are doing awesome.
Feb 26, 2021 3:06 AM # 
Conman:
Lots of US Races, esp. the Sea to Sea and many USARA championship races over the years. Ron Eaglin is one of the wranglers for that team, but he's racing with a non-comp. team this year and having tons of fun without as much misery. I bet they did the last Untamed and they were def. at the Cowboy Tough world champs several years ago. The current team is made up of folks I don't know (not saying much), but the scuttle-butt I've gleaned from others in the race community is they are super-fit and should be near the front. Going to be fun watching them scramble through the course. With darkness and fatigue all sorts of things are subject to upheaval.
Feb 26, 2021 3:36 AM # 
Conman:
Bones is now second to roll out of TA1 with a full card (19 CPs) and is roughly 1 hour (maybe a bit less) behind Good'Nuff. The next two full card teams are both in TA1 and probably are due to roll at any minute: MRC and ARGeorgia. The first two are both Coed teams and lead that class; the second two are both Open and lead that class. As for the solo class, the leaders are all battling it out in the dark on the bike O' and, as I said earlier, it's UGLY. At least they have each other out there, if they're willing to help each other (?)...perhaps unavoidable with headlamps blazing.
Feb 26, 2021 4:02 AM # 
Conman:
Firm numbers now available: Bones is ~50 mins behind Good'Nuff at CP20.
Feb 26, 2021 4:28 AM # 
StrongMachine:
Anyone else predicting a faster finishing time than expected?
Feb 26, 2021 8:17 AM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Is there anywhere to see actual Score other than the tracker page? I wonder if tower got cp 11. The tracker doesn’t show it but they might have been moving fast.
Feb 26, 2021 11:06 AM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Does cp32 have to be gotten before checking into TA2. It’s a bike point. There’s is O course at that ta then they paddle
Feb 26, 2021 12:07 PM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Never mind. I read the rules. 32 is trek point
Feb 26, 2021 12:45 PM # 
silkychrome:
Good Nuff, per the official roster:
Misty Becerra, Sara McLarty, Jarrod Shoemaker, Richard Sparks
Sara is World Champs-caliber swimmer who narrowly missed an Olympic team, and also former pro triathlete. https://saramclarty.com/

Jarrod is a pro triathlete and 2008 Olympian. https://www.jarrodshoemaker.com/

Misty is not a pro triathlete but she raced/trained w Sara consistently.

Richard is from MI and the newbie to the team. He’s a great athlete and navigator who typically races solo in AR.

Will be interesting to see how this new team of powerful engines stacks up in the later part of the race!
Feb 26, 2021 1:11 PM # 
thndrMATT:
Wonder if they have the 70B location before getting 70A... because that would be a bummer if they don't and leave that one for last.

Also looks like points 33-42 from that trek O course aren't showing on the tracker.
Feb 26, 2021 2:32 PM # 
silkychrome:
Anyone notice a bunch of teams hanging out at Waffle House at Main Street/Forest Ave in Apopka???
168 - Absolute Ninjas
155 - Three Dumb Monkeys
103 - Finish Strong
149 - Bunny's Bastards
Feb 26, 2021 2:39 PM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Mark Harris said on Facebook (I think it was Mark) that those team trek points at TA2 will not be on the maps we see.... if you look at the race rules you can see the clues. Gives a good idea for vegetation change and north of pond kinda of clues. Having the three different o corses in that area really utilizes that space to the max. When more teams get there I imagine it will be a bit confusing. Not the time to try to follow another team that’s for sure.


A couple of teams made WaWA stops too
Feb 26, 2021 2:40 PM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Silky. Thanks for that info, they are a strong team for sure and seem to be running a very clean race so far.
Feb 26, 2021 2:59 PM # 
All Toenails GT:
Just to add to Silky. GoodN'uff are locals as well. They live in clearwater/tampa area. So they know the croom trails which was the first bike O section. Sarah is super comfortable at naving on flat terrain and has almost won S2S in the past 2 years. 2 years ago, it was just Sarah and Misty and they led the majority of the race. But on the relay o-section that year... they both did the whole thing because they were comfortable with breaking off separate. They won't have that issue this year. The other two males on the team are both very capable navigators. Misty btw was an extremely good xterra amateur. Fantastic cyclist. Can't speak enough about those two women. They are excellent. It will be interesting to see if they can hold this pace without making any errors.
Feb 26, 2021 3:09 PM # 
silkychrome:
So exciting!

From what I can tell, full course teams, at 10AM local time:

Good 'Nuff (157) arrived into TA2 about 6AM with the clear lead, looks like on their second o-relay loop now
MRC (126) arrived into TA2 about 7:30AM, almost done w their first o-relay loop
ARGeorgia (107) arrived into TA2 close to MRC (maybe travelling together), almost done w their first o-relay loop
Bones (164) arrived into TA2 about 8AM, but their tracker is stuck in TA so maybe someone forgot to take it on a relay loop??
Tower Racing (162) arrived into TA2 shortly before 9AM, partway thru their first o-relay loop, potentially having trouble with a CP near OA3
Strong Machine (109) arrived into TA2 shortly after 9AM, early on their first o-relay loop
CP Psychosis (138) arrived into TA2 shortly after 9AM, early on their first o-relay loop
Only Mostly Lost (113) arriving into TA2 shortly
Team Disoriented (127) arriving into TA2 shortly
Feb 26, 2021 3:10 PM # 
Conman:
Heya race fans! I slept...did you? It seems that things didn't go off the rails overnight. The bulk of teams are still moving toward the TA2 O' relay with a handful of the top teams already playing the game. One observation about this section of controls...not only is the team foot O' section not mapped, during the relay, the tracker might not follow the persons who go out to execute the stage. So, the tracking system "leaderboard" and results will become wholly unreliable...that is until Mark manages to get the punch data for each team manually entered. I am not holding my breath for this to happen promptly - it's a major chore with this many teams racing.
Feb 26, 2021 3:14 PM # 
silkychrome:
Strong Machine struggled w OB3 but appears to have triumphed over the swamp and is moving on
Feb 26, 2021 3:17 PM # 
All Toenails GT:
One of the guys reporting on GoodN'uff's FB page was saying that its 3-4hrs per O-leg. So with that being said... to piggy back Conman... since the tracker won't always go with the person out on the course... it may be a good 3-6 hrs before we see people start moving away from TA2 and onto the paddle. Once they go on the paddle, we'll just have to assume that the top teams are still clearing at that point.
Feb 26, 2021 4:00 PM # 
StrongMachine:
It would have been nice for my sleeping purposes if the RD had planned this leg to go overnight, looks like I missed some good racing last night while catching ZZZs.
Feb 26, 2021 4:03 PM # 
Conman:
Case in point regarding leaderboard chaos: Bones tracker is clearly sitting still under a tree while someone is out and about on the O' relay(s). Good'Nuff seems to have tackled the Team O', before starting the relay (carrying the tracker), but none of those Team O' points are being logged as punched. So...who's in the lead? Nobody knows, except maybe the TA2 staff, but even that's not likely.

Correction: Pretty sure Good'Nuff is still working on the Team O' and hasn't yet started on the relays.
Feb 26, 2021 4:12 PM # 
silkychrome:
for my comments above i was considering there were (3) loops total to be done from TA2 and not really differentiating between the solo/team loops.
Feb 26, 2021 4:22 PM # 
Conman:
Regarding the Team O': A reminder to all who've been lulled into complacency by the rogaine-style O' courses at TA 1 (meaning CPs on each leg can be collected in any order); the Team O' is a fixed point-to-point nav. course that must be completed in order (or you won't get the next mapped location). Given this fact, we can probably use the route that Good'Nuff has been traveling since they left TA2 for CP32 (first Team O' point) combined with the RoT point location descriptions to "find" presumed CP locations (several are obvious due to out and back routes). I am loosely doing this now, but MIGHT decide to post my conjecture in an image later. For now, I'm very confident that Good'Nuff has bagged CP39 and is headed SW toward CP40.
Feb 26, 2021 4:29 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Richard on Good'Nuff got his start on navigation what feels like recently, at a MTBO+Foot O mini AR at a little 1000 acre park in 2016. He dove into improving his map skills and made huge progress, well ahead of my progression curve. It's been fun watching him get better and better.
Feb 26, 2021 4:57 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Just got word that Glen is out on the individual O for SM and is on his way back to TA after clearing. Kit is heading out next.
Feb 26, 2021 5:00 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Apparently, it is "super-hot."
Feb 26, 2021 5:12 PM # 
Conman:
Getting confirmation of the locations for Team O' CPs 33-42 via MRC's route, which amazingly follows (via varied paths) the route that Good'Nuff is currently on. Am now very confident about locations of CPs thru #39. Not sure how to post an image of those CP locations here, but will share it somehow.
Feb 26, 2021 5:28 PM # 
Conman:
Looks like Bones' tracker-carrying-team-member is off on relay course OA. Going to guess that this member (and the tracker) took a nap while course OB was being tackled by a non-tracked team member.
Feb 26, 2021 5:30 PM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Not gonna lie I don’t like not seeing some of the points.... first world dot watcher problems.
Feb 26, 2021 5:37 PM # 
Conman:
I feel ya'. I consider it a bit of a challenge to figure out where the dots must be given the team tracks. It's conjecture, but as more team tracks retrace the route, the points become clearer.
Feb 26, 2021 5:38 PM # 
Conman:
Never mind about Bones...It appears they are just busting a move toward the boats! So, did they skip the Team O' course? Complete both relays? Accidentally leave the tracker at the TA during the Team O'? Time will tell!
Feb 26, 2021 5:42 PM # 
Conman:
For the record, the Team O' course is MUCH longer than I expected. Good'Nuff is now way further South than I expected they'd have to go. I sure hope the TA had some beta about the total expected route length for this section. With the knowledge I had (limited) I would've gone out wholly unprepared (water, food, etc.) for the duration of the event they are currently executing.
Feb 26, 2021 5:48 PM # 
Conman:
Here's a link to the map I've come up so far for the Team O': https://ibb.co/TvgzCcM
Feb 26, 2021 5:55 PM # 
Conman:
RE-CORRECTION: Bones is not going paddling after all. I guess they are just taking the long way 'round to OA2.
Feb 26, 2021 6:07 PM # 
Conman:
Is Bones off course on a parallel feature? Sure looks like they think OA2 is where they're currently located, but they are on the wrong N-S trail. Hmmm.

They are also very close to the North edge of an off-limits area on the maps.
Feb 26, 2021 6:12 PM # 
Conman:
Looks like the Old Guys Survive Team is heading for the paddle start! Nothing like being the first team out on a leg!
Feb 26, 2021 6:12 PM # 
StrongMachine:
That is confirmed by our on-the-ground reporter. Apparently the first course was very difficult so they came back for reinforcements (our team did the same for one of the points).
Feb 26, 2021 6:16 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Glen said OB3 may be incorrectly hung north of where it is on the maps (though he also blames teammates for his own bad nav choices :).
Feb 26, 2021 6:27 PM # 
Conman:
Yikes! I can see how OB3 involved some "hunting in the woods" for SM. I'm sure the tracker is very dizzy now.
Feb 26, 2021 6:33 PM # 
Conman:
What the heck is CP Psychosis doing? Did they and Bones drink some tainted water? or are there magnetic anomalies in the area that are making compasses lead teams to the East of their targets?
Feb 26, 2021 6:39 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Just took the long way around to OB3, it looks like. We'll see whether they find it quickly or if Glen's grumpiness is warranted.
Feb 26, 2021 7:02 PM # 
Conman:
So bummed about what's happening for Bones. All the predictions of a runaway victory by Bones are being dashed by this nav. blunder. Looking forward to seeing how they recover.

And, it seems that CP Psychosis is having the same troubles at OB3 that plagued Strong Machine. Misplaced flags suck!
Feb 26, 2021 7:13 PM # 
StrongMachine:
OA3 is causing problems too. Check out Tower Racing's track. Looks like they are back for another go and still having problems.
Feb 26, 2021 7:20 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Conman, do you think it's possible that Bones went to get a Team-O point? Looks like they took a pretty direct route down and back.
Feb 26, 2021 7:20 PM # 
Conman:
Bones appears to be in relocate mode. Hope they find their bearings and get back after it!
Feb 26, 2021 7:31 PM # 
Conman:
I'm going go out on a limb and guess that the midden control (CP42) is at the East end of the road labeled Shell Mound on the race maps. Who wants to take a bet for a two tubes of Nuun tabs?
Feb 26, 2021 7:33 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Ignore my previous comment - Team-O needs to be done in order. I think Bones is looking for OA2 and just mis-shot.
Feb 26, 2021 7:36 PM # 
Conman:
I ignored it already by accident. :D
Feb 26, 2021 8:08 PM # 
Conman:
Woohoo! I think I win my own bet. Too bad for me nobody took me up on it. CP42 appears to be right where I expected it! Here's the latter part of the Team O' route by my estimation: https://ibb.co/r2xSw3q
Feb 26, 2021 8:31 PM # 
Conman:
For the record, Good'Nuff has been on this Team O' course since 4:30am race time, appears to have just punched that last CP about 15 minutes ago, and is now headed back to TA (maybe 30 minutes out) at 3:30pm. That's nearly 12 hours of racing just on this "little" foot O' course. Not what I expected by a long shot. Total distance on this route...I'm too lazy to measure...is surely over 15 miles. There are going to be some sore feet after this; especially after the chest high steam crossing just before reaching TA2. Hopefully they swapped out shoes and socks to start this with dry feet.
Feb 26, 2021 8:45 PM # 
silkychrome:
Conman, didn't they start trekking closer to 6:30AM race time?
Feb 26, 2021 8:49 PM # 
Conman:
Indeed! I got the time change (2 hours for me) mixed up with my 24 hour clock conversion. So it's 6:30am to ~4pm...still a nearly 10 hour O' course.
Feb 26, 2021 8:57 PM # 
silkychrome:
dang time zones...agree, this is a long foot section. when i did S2S in 2015 we had something similar, many foot loops from a single TA, only the last loop was a surprise. always love that, when you tell your feet “just one more mile back to the bike” and then you get a surprise 5-mile trekking loop :D
Feb 26, 2021 9:05 PM # 
Conman:
At least now they can pick the person(s) whose feet are in the best shape to tackle the O' relays, while the others sleep, eat and dry out their feet. Or, they can put up their feet in the canoes...not expecting this, yet though.
Feb 26, 2021 9:06 PM # 
Conman:
Okay - Now Bones is doing more weird stuff...can't even comment really. Look for yourself.

Maybe somebody on the team who is not collecting CPs is going on walkabout with the tracker...out of boredom

Or a dog grabbed the pack with the tracker and is dragging it around?
Feb 26, 2021 10:24 PM # 
Conman:
I lost my patience. The Team O' course from TA2 and back is just a touch over 18 miles point-to-point as the crow flies. As the foot walks, let's just round that up to 25 miles since the last three points in particular are not even close to a straight shot on foot.
Feb 26, 2021 10:25 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Bones looks back on track but I think they're still on the "A" individual orienteering course. I think they've completed the "B" course (sneakily without a tracker) and I'm not sure but it looks like they got one of the team-O points (not sure if they can go back and do more of that section or if they decided to cut some points).

Meanwhile, Tower and CP Psychosis are still on the individual orienteering courses.

Strong Machine just finished both individual courses and are now heading out on the team course.

MRC is just finishing up the team course and took a very similar route to Good Nuff. AR Georgia heading to CP 42 (thanks for the map, Conman!) and then they'll be done with the team-O as well.

If anyone has any other teams they want me to take a look at and estimate progress for, I have a pretty good idea for the course now (it took me all day to figure it out) so I can try to help.
Feb 26, 2021 10:29 PM # 
silkychrome:
@SM, how about our AP friends on Lupine!!
Feb 26, 2021 10:29 PM # 
Conman:
AR Georgia is done with CP42 and bee-lining back to TA. They know their competition is not far in front of them, having passed them on the route to CP41.
Feb 26, 2021 10:37 PM # 
StrongMachine:
@silky, not sure if Lupine did any of the individual-O sections without their tracker on, but they are now working their way through the team course are are up near CP 37 at the moment.
Feb 26, 2021 10:42 PM # 
Conman:
Lupine arrived to TA2 and left about an hour later on the Team O'. Confirmed with replay.
Feb 26, 2021 11:13 PM # 
Conman:
Speaking of Lupine, one of their regular racers, Eric Olsen, is on CP Psychosis, who I mentioned earlier when they took the long way 'round on the hunt for OB3. They completed Relay A first and have returned to TA after the hunt for OB3...not sure if they punched it, but they probably still need OB1 & 2. They haven't moved on from TA since returning from multiple tries on the OB3 hunt. This could be a tracker left behind however.
Feb 26, 2021 11:49 PM # 
Conman:
Good'Nuff seems to have cleared O' relay A. Wonder how they'll do with relay B, esp. OB3? Also wonder if we'll get to watch...not if the tracker takes a nap at the TA.
Feb 27, 2021 1:12 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
This is from GoodN'uff FB page about 1hr 20min ago... they have someone on site posting:

Jarrod is in from the first O relay. The race director was estimating two hours to clear. He did it in 1:45, coming in just at sunset.
Richard’s off on the second, departing at 6:50. Assuming the same success for what is also estimated at a two hour effort, they should be out of TA2 and heading toward the river for the paddle under a full moon in clear skies at 10:00.
Feb 27, 2021 1:13 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
This was also from their FB page a little while back. It gives a good overview of this section they are on:

Update on the team trek. As I’m understanding the conversation, the course was laid out by someone riding a bike, who logged 14 miles doing so. It was listed then as a 14 mile trek. The order of the checkpoint sequence was not just like following the numbers around the clock, however. You go from 1 to 5 then maybe 9 to 4, etc. This, then, ended up making the trek 32 miles in the end. Unprepared for this distance and so now struggling with a lack of food and fluids, their pace slowed substantially.
The good news: they got all the checkpoints (and confirmed to me that, yes, they got #8 earlier. They’ve cleared the course so far).
The better news: everyone else will have exactly the same challenge and (we biased team Good’Nuff fans assume) will have a much greater chance of failing to clear the course.
Jarrod is off solo right now for the first relay. When he returns (most likely after dark), Richard (who is sleeping in a tent in the shade right now) will do the second relay solo.
Then comes the 28 mile paddle, starting in the dark.
They’re tired, hungry, and a bit less cheerful than last night at Dash Sports in Clermont. Each time I’ve chased them across the state in this race, however, it’s always this way.
All is progressing good enough. (reference intended).
Feb 27, 2021 1:28 AM # 
Conman:
Thank you! This confirms a lot of what we've been gabbing about here. They are indeed doing well!
Feb 27, 2021 1:28 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Good'Nuff looks like they've snagged their last one of this leg and is booking back to the TA. Sara and Misty slept for both of the relay sections, so I'm assuming Sarah will be back on point and ready to roll.
Feb 27, 2021 1:43 AM # 
StrongMachine:
Very impressive that Jarrod (who is new to AR, from my understanding) just crushed the O in that fast of a time. Richard is also doing very well.
Feb 27, 2021 1:50 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Jarrod went all in on AR this year. After watching Eco, he finally wanted to put together a team. Sarah and Misty have been trying for years to get him into it with them. He did his first AR with Good'Nuff at the Bear race in Georgia that was put on by AR Georgia at the end of last year. Then he soloed a 24hr race in Birmingham, Al in November. Now he's probably completed another 5-6 solo races 12hrs and down with FLX Race On Your Own challenges. He also competed with Good'Nuff on a 30hr race in Florida put on by AR Georgia. So he's new for sure, but that boy is a frickin athlete and he goes all in. He still in sub 2:50 marathon shape solo as well. Monster athlete. All of them are man.
Feb 27, 2021 1:53 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Looks like Richard is back in 2hrs for the course. They should have a quick transition to get to the boats since the rest of the team has been chillin. Hopefully they have all of the gear ready to go and let Richard rest when he gets in the boat. They have a long paddle coming up, but its going to be a nice current.
Feb 27, 2021 2:05 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
They're off to the boats. Man, I sure am curious what the time gaps are going to shake out to be after this section.
Feb 27, 2021 2:09 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC and AR Georgia are close. MRC looks like they'll have a slight advantage going into the last O-leg.
Feb 27, 2021 2:13 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
CP 48 on the paddle will let us know who is trying to clear and who isn't. That's brutally far out of the way for just one CP.
Feb 27, 2021 2:14 AM # 
Conman:
Both MRC and ARG need to tackle Relay B before they roll out of TA2. MRC is just about back to TA for the next relay and ARG is just about to reach the last CP for their first relay. MRC does appear to be having doubts about the best route back to the TA...darkness is such a trouble-maker.
Feb 27, 2021 2:22 AM # 
silkychrome:
great racing so far, even if it has taken all of our powers combined to keep track of the trekking loops at TA2.

All Toenails what’s the story of your AP name?
Feb 27, 2021 2:24 AM # 
Conman:
Recapping, only 3 teams have completed the Team O' segment in it's entirety: Good'Nuff, MRC, and ARGeorgia. Only one other has gone as far as CP40, but skipped the others: Team Disoriented. There are several teams working on the Team O' now (Bones, Strong Machine, Tower Racing, and maybe one more) but none have moved in the direction of CP39, yet. I wonder if many of those still working on it will skip a few of the farther afield points now that it's getting dark and the clock is ticking.

Addition: Lupine did the Team O' up to CP39 and then shifted their effort to the relays.
Feb 27, 2021 2:34 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
To be honest... I didn't even know about AP until @conman shot the link over in the FB S2S website. It's the name my brother and I race under. All Toenails Go To Heaven. AP wouldn't let me ad the last letter. We were both runners first and guaranteed we would loose our toenails after races or lots of training. So it fit.
Feb 27, 2021 2:37 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Does it seem like GoodN'uff benefited from unintentionally running the OB course last? Their guy went straight to OB3 where everyone else struggled.
Feb 27, 2021 2:40 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC is off on their last leg. AR Georgia may have taken the wrong road on accident back to TA
Feb 27, 2021 2:44 AM # 
Conman:
Hard to say...sometimes footprints help; other times they confuse. The main value of doing it later is probably that when you get close, the flags are EASIER to see at night due to the reflective tape. Hard controls during the day can become easy at night as long as you get the macro nav. right. Of course, it can go the other way as well at night. My experience is that night nav. is often hard in the big spaces between the CPs, but can be easier once you are close to them.
Feb 27, 2021 2:49 AM # 
silkychrome:
oh!!! it makes sense now. All Toenails Go To Heaven. yes they do.
Feb 27, 2021 2:49 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Agreed. The faint trails are super hard to follow at night, but you can see a flag from forever out.
Feb 27, 2021 2:51 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC got a soloist with him. Two pairs of eyes should help for sure.
Feb 27, 2021 2:54 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Oh no! AR Georgia is turned around on OA2. Those guys are great. Hope they get it figured out. Or maybe he had the CP already and went on the wrong road like I thought. He probably thought that it was weird that he was still going North and should have gone NW.
Feb 27, 2021 3:14 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Nope, definitely is having issues with the CP.
Feb 27, 2021 3:14 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC was in and out quick for OB3
Feb 27, 2021 3:35 AM # 
Conman:
Not clear, but it seems like maybe ARGeorgia didn't find OA2. Hope they did after all that hunting and all the effort to this point. Maybe someone at the TA can tell us when they get back there.
Feb 27, 2021 3:46 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Surely he got it after all that. MRC may have given them a window. It looks like they did a short cut to OB1 and over shot it. Right now they are still headed south... I think they may be confused. We shall see if they double back. But it definitely doesn't look like they got OB1
Feb 27, 2021 3:46 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
AR Georgia is pretty much back at TA
Feb 27, 2021 3:51 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
There's the double back. They see what they did wrong. Should correct easy for MRC.
Feb 27, 2021 3:52 AM # 
Conman:
Very tight race suddenly between Strong Machine and CP Psychosis. Both appear to have cleared the O' relays and are in just about the same position on the Team O'. Will they egg each other on to complete the whole course, including all the extra miles for the last two CPs, or will they opt for sleep and better chances of finishing the race on time?
Feb 27, 2021 3:54 AM # 
Conman:
I'll bet MRC got distracted in the night nav. by the lights of other teams. The tunnel vision that a light ahead of you can prompt is very hard to overcome.
Feb 27, 2021 4:02 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Dang. AR Georgia didn't put the tracker on the last leg. So we won't know what's going on with them.
Feb 27, 2021 4:03 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Those MRC guys are vets. Thankfully they figured it out quick. But for sure... They've been out there forever, they are ready to be done with the section, they saw the lights and overshot it.
Feb 27, 2021 4:07 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
You're right. CP Psychosis and SM are right there together. They only have 4 CPs left. They aren't too far behind AR Georgia and MRC at this point. Seems like there will be a good battle for 2-5.
Feb 27, 2021 4:10 AM # 
Conman:
The night nav. is def. getting to folks. Lots of blundering around trying get to the right area of CPs. Seeing it just now from MRC & Bones and from ARGeorgia a bit ago. These are all top notch squads with a bunch of experience; can only imagine how it's going for the newbies just learning the AR ropes. Hopefully most of them sleep at the TA or just move on with the paddle leg.
Feb 27, 2021 4:12 AM # 
Conman:
Oh, they are doing great, but are miles (maybe 3-4 hours) behind MRC and AR Georgia. The last two team O' CPs include one (41) that requires a very long out and back with no shortcuts.
Feb 27, 2021 4:19 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
looks like the tracker is working again for AR Georgia. I thought the left it.
Feb 27, 2021 4:21 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC spent way too long on OB1. Lets see if AR Georgia goes flawless here. If so, they are back in it.
Feb 27, 2021 4:21 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
They should pass each other since they are doing the loops reverse of one another.
Feb 27, 2021 4:24 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Holy crap. That has to be Hunter on this leg for AR GA. He is SPRINTING!
Feb 27, 2021 4:30 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
What in the world? Is he going so fast that they didn't track him on OB2?
Feb 27, 2021 4:41 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC is at the last CP of his leg. AR GA isn't quite to his 2nd CP of three for the leg. This is close. I like it.
Feb 27, 2021 4:56 AM # 
Conman:
Pretty cool seeing two neck and neck battles for the podium in the two core classes playing out at the same time and on the same course section. MRC and AR Georgia for the open class (both 2M); & Strong Machine and CP Psychosis for the coed class.
Feb 27, 2021 4:57 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
For sure.
Feb 27, 2021 4:58 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
I do have a question though... what the heck is Sky High Trekkers (173) doing?? They look lost out of their minds.
Feb 27, 2021 5:12 AM # 
Conman:
I suspect they are retiring, but also getting a good dinner, finding a hotel that takes dirty bikes, etc.
Feb 27, 2021 5:15 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
That just seems like a bad spot to just sit down... They were obviously bad lost in there. It's yellow like its supposed to be a solo.
Feb 27, 2021 5:17 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC better get after it in the TA. AR GA is runnin his little butt off to make up time.
Feb 27, 2021 5:25 AM # 
Conman:
Oops! Strong Machine took the wrong road after passing that house and CP Psychosis passed them. I wonder if they are reconsidering tackling the rest of the team O' course?
Feb 27, 2021 5:28 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC is out. They are about 3:30 behind GoodN'uff. It looks like for some reason AR GA went straight to TA2 and skipped their last cp? That's nuts if they did. It's not that far away.
Feb 27, 2021 5:30 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Yeah I'm surprised SM doubled back. They could have gone south there, but maybe didn't realize it?
Feb 27, 2021 5:32 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Ah good. AR GA is headed out for the last CP of the leg. Depending how quick he can get this CP and how quick transition is... they could maybe salvage 30min.
Feb 27, 2021 5:36 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
I looked at that wrong. I saw 146 and was thinking 126. MRC is sleeping maybe? Should be interesting what happens next!
Feb 27, 2021 5:40 AM # 
Conman:
MRC is sleeping for a bit I think.
Feb 27, 2021 5:43 AM # 
Conman:
Lupine Racing went out on the relay course, only bagged one CP and then went back to TA. Now they are back out and appear to be confused about which way to go. Hard to know what's going on, but I'll just blame sleep monsters.
Feb 27, 2021 5:45 AM # 
Conman:
For AR GA, OB3 has been a beast for some teams...still seems like it's eluding them.
Feb 27, 2021 5:46 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
MRC is out now! maybe 5min ago. And I think AR GA just snagged the last CP. Maybe. hopefully so and they are having issues.
Feb 27, 2021 5:53 AM # 
Conman:
Meanwhile, Bones is still riding the struggle bus now hunting for CP36. Feel awful for them. The nav. gods have not been kind to them since they arrived at TA2.
Feb 27, 2021 5:56 AM # 
Conman:
Well, CP Psychosis has just turned around after apparently bagging CP40. Not going for the huge out-n-back means they skip 2 CPs in the Team O'.
Feb 27, 2021 5:57 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Looks like AR GA found it. Let's see how fast that TA is going to be for them. Hopefully Jake has all of their crap ready to go.
Feb 27, 2021 5:58 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Yeah, Bones got super rattled. Which is nuts. They are so seasoned. Flat land nav is definitely different than mountains.
Feb 27, 2021 5:59 AM # 
Conman:
And, Strong Machine also seems to have made the same decision but without bagging CP40. Interesting to see how this all plays out.
Feb 27, 2021 5:59 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
That might be a good move for CP Psychosis. Who knows what the clock is going to look like at the end of this thing. This O section blew everyone's time expectations out of the water.
Feb 27, 2021 6:01 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
AR GA is in TA...
Feb 27, 2021 6:06 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Do you think GoodN'uff dropped their boat to go get CP47?
Feb 27, 2021 6:08 AM # 
Conman:
Nah - lots of braids and backwaters in there.
Feb 27, 2021 6:10 AM # 
Conman:
But I guess it's possible...the "hike" will be more like a slog, I suspect. No fun!
Feb 27, 2021 6:14 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
They are going for it.
Feb 27, 2021 6:54 AM # 
Conman:
Strong Machine is also bailing out on the team O' course after a doozy of a time finding CP40. Assume they've got it now, know where 41 is, and have decided it's not worth their time.

Now moving toward CP40 is Only Mostly Lost, who is right behind SM in the standings, I believe. Wonder what they'll choose to do?

Next up in the rankings is Tower Racing, who is right behind OML on the physical course...will they punch CP39 and then bail or head for CP40 also?
Feb 27, 2021 6:58 AM # 
Conman:
Also looks like Bones has pulled the plug on the team O' course after a hard time at CP36, which I honestly think they did not find. Some sleep for them and then some paddling? Maybe no sleep.
Feb 27, 2021 7:00 AM # 
Conman:
We have trend forming: Tower Racing now also seems to have bailed out on the team O' challenge, having struggled to find CP39. I do not think they got it either. Perhaps 2am is the witching hour?
Feb 27, 2021 7:09 AM # 
Conman:
Looks like the darkness on the water is also causing grief for the leaders! Good'Nuff is bashing about trying to find CP47 and have been at it for well over an hour. In fact, it appears that they have not yet found it.
Feb 27, 2021 7:15 AM # 
Conman:
I just realized something: only 4 teams remain who have very likely cleared the course to the point they are currently at in the race: Good'Nuff, MRC, ARGeorgia, and Only Mostly Lost (who will likely turn around and drop off this list shortly). Jeff predicted that few teams would clear it after stating that only 5 cleared it last year. Can the three remaining teams manage to keep it together?
Feb 27, 2021 7:26 AM # 
Conman:
There it is: Only Mostly Lost has elected to pull out on the team O' course after probably finding C40. They are headed back North now and likely aiming for the transition.
Feb 27, 2021 7:33 AM # 
Conman:
Time for me to sleep! Now that the O' course seems to be winding down for the front pack of teams it feels "safe." (dot watching is so much fun!) The only clear dramas still in play are at the very pointy end: Good'Nuff in first place is still lost in the river trying to find CP47. Coming up on their tail (perhaps 4-5 hours back) and just on the river are MRC and ARGeorgia, although the night nav. on the river will be no more kind to them. ARG (2nd) managed to catch and pass MRC (3rd) at the put-in by getting on the water quicker. Should be an interesting morning to see how the paddle section treats everyone...and if Good'Nuff ever finds CP47!
Feb 27, 2021 7:39 AM # 
Conman:
Last note for the night: of the couple dozen teams who have paddled past CP47 so far, only four were close enough to trigger the geo fence and NONE OF THEM actually got to the CP location shown on the tracking map and on the racer maps. This could end up being the CP that nobody gets!
Feb 27, 2021 12:02 PM # 
thndrMATT:
"Dot" my eyes deceive me, it appears Good Nuff has returned from CP48 and eventually the canoe take out alllllll the way back to CP47 to give it another go. By my count that's a 15 mile ish round trip paddle, but now they have the dawn light to help them, and maybe some other teams? Edit: Looks like they finally punched it at 0705, they were first there around 0100...
Feb 27, 2021 12:16 PM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
TA2 points have been added. And the totals posted https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR...
Feb 27, 2021 12:54 PM # 
DML:
Ah, interesting route selection to CP48 Peter. I like it!
Feb 27, 2021 12:58 PM # 
silkychrome:
DML I was just going to comment! Looks like MRC/ARG taking different routes to CP48...we shall see!

Who is Jake B, aka Hunter's teammate on ARG? Is he "youngish" also? Not saying MRC are "old guys" by any means but they are sooooo experienced...
Feb 27, 2021 1:01 PM # 
silkychrome:
thndrMATT, dang. I didn't realize that until you pointed it out how much extra paddling GoodNuff has done to get CP48. first attack on the stream going downstream...bust. second attack going upstream from TA...bust. what do we do? go alllllll the way back to 47 and attack again going downstream...GOT IT!! quite an effort. good on you GoodNuff for sticking with it!!!!
Feb 27, 2021 1:08 PM # 
silkychrome:
It looks like teams have really done a good job of moving themselves along the course. With so many experience levels, this could be a very difficult (even dangerous) situation with back of pack teams straggling far behind. Kudos to ARGeorgia (the RD) for managing/communicating the TA cutoffs to help teams keep moving and kudos to the new teams for pacing well!!

It will also work in the lead teams favor, to have so many short-course teams racing next to them on the final day (and maybe final night).

what time does TA3 (end of trek after long paddle) close?
EDIT: answering my own question, "TA #3 (Bikes, Bins, Power, and Tents) This TA closes at 21:00 Saturday 02/27."
Feb 27, 2021 1:08 PM # 
DML:
I don't know anything about Jake, but certainly the nav is Strong.
Feb 27, 2021 1:16 PM # 
silkychrome:
I think MRC is going to beat ARG to CP48 after their bit of smart nav!!
Feb 27, 2021 1:51 PM # 
silkychrome:
Yes! MRC snuck ahead of ARG with their more direct approach to CP47. Well done. Now...dice to the take-out!
Feb 27, 2021 3:32 PM # 
All Toenails GT:
Jake B. is around my age.. mid 30s (maybe late 30s). He raced with Off the Grid Racing for a long time and was part of the group started the Cauldron 30hr. Eric Wise who is course designer for this years S2S was Jake's teammate and business partner for Off the Grid Racing. ARGeorgia (race director) bought out the Cauldron race and picked up Eric for designing. Jake is a great navigator and has raced with Hunter multiple times before. If Eco decides to do another race, Jake will be part of Hunter's team.
Feb 27, 2021 3:51 PM # 
Conman:
Crazy night of paddling nav! Fun to catch up now that I'm somewhat awake. Really amazing that Good'Nuff went all the way back from the take-out to snag CP47 in the daylight. The darkness messed with all the three of lead teams trying to bag all the CPs on the river. Many other front running teams appear to have opted to skip some of the paddle CPs...still to be confirmed...especially want to check in on those who got at least 9 of the team O' points back at TA2, as those teams make up the trailing lead pack.
Feb 27, 2021 3:57 PM # 
Conman:
Just playing with the replay button and see that Good'Nuff, MRC, and ARGeorgia all were in the river together bagging CP47 at about the same time. Good'Nuff had already punched CP48 so went straight (back) to the take-out while the others had to do the meandering out and back for CP48, where MRC took a direct approach and got some separation. That's all that separates these teams at the moment...navigation choices and challenges.
Feb 27, 2021 5:04 PM # 
fuzzylines:
Hi all, I migrated over from facebook for some dot discussion! This is great. Conman, I wish I had seen your trekking maps earlier. I'm wondering how teams are dealing with sleep: The O-relay B-Course seemed to take the top teams about 2 hours each. The teammates that did the A-Course must not have gotten much quality sleep at the TA2. Is less than 2 hours going to be enough for these folks to push through to the finish? I don't think so, unless they caught some extra sleep in the boat.
Feb 27, 2021 5:19 PM # 
Conman:
Welcome, fuzzylines. And, you're welcome. I think the staggered sleep from the O' relay is all they will need and all they'll take. For the 3p and 4p teams, that probably means that at least one team member got plenty of sleep and can be the force that keep the team moving forward effectively with their clearer, more-rested mind.

We've reached the last 24 hours of race time as of noon. Going to be an exciting finish!
Feb 27, 2021 5:27 PM # 
Conman:
ARGeorgia has passed MRC just prior to TA3 and should be pulling in shortly. The time gap will only be ~5 mins, so transition time onto the bikes will be key here.
Feb 27, 2021 5:32 PM # 
Conman:
Hope Randy is at the TA to film the furious bike transition race-within-a-race between these two teams.
Feb 27, 2021 5:58 PM # 
Conman:
Looking ahead a bit: The next trek section (O' Course) has a spectacular strategic twist for teams to wrap their sleep-deprived heads around: paired CPs that only count for a full ranking point if you get both. I also hear this area has pretty difficult navigation. Going to be really key to tackle as much of this during daylight as possible. That's going to be a stretch for the all the lead pack teams still to start the bike from TA3. Good'Nuff could get through most of the CPs in daylight and put their foot down on the title...we'll soon see!
Feb 27, 2021 6:05 PM # 
Conman:
And, MRC has transitioned faster and is off on the bikes just a few minutes ahead of ARGeorgia. Now the racing is really on.
Feb 27, 2021 6:08 PM # 
thndrMATT:
Very curious about the last trek leg map which doesn't appear to be in the online packet. Does it show them the A points, or both A+B? Still think ordering will be a big deal if its' the former and they do 70 last...
Feb 27, 2021 6:15 PM # 
fuzzylines:
@thndrMatt, the maps don't show the points, but they are labeled on the the live tracking. The rules of travel say they can be obtained in any order (A or B.) 70 A and B are the only ones that have a large distance between the A and B points.
Feb 27, 2021 6:15 PM # 
Conman:
The map is undisclosed intentionally, per Mark Harris, who's running the race tracking system. He'll post it "later." I bet all the CPs will be on one, more detailed O' style map for the area around the TA.
Feb 27, 2021 6:39 PM # 
Conman:
At CP57: Good'Nuff was there at 11:14am and both ARGeorgia & MRC (probably traveling together at the moment) have just arrived at 1:33pm. That's a ~2:20 lead. Easily overtaken with one serious bike nav. error, a sleep, or a foot O' nav. blunder.

EDIT: The route distance between these teams is about 22km. If the two trailing teams push each other and they are traveling on roads, not sand, this could be a 1+ hour time gap on this relatively flat course. Makes me wonder if Good'Nuff is moving relatively slowly (tired, fatigued, questioning nav., etc.), while the chase pack is working together (by intention or not) to reel them in.

The gaps between teams in the next pack is also quite slim. Only Mostly Lost, Strong Machine, CP Psychosis, and a few more. I haven't calc'd it, but it'll get clearer when they finish the trek and get stated on the bikes.

Fun stuff!
Feb 27, 2021 6:57 PM # 
silkychrome:
@Fuzztlines Re: sleep strategy...in 2015 my team took about 90 minutes total sleep for the 72 hours, broken up into a few short naps. We finished 3rd although the field is deeper at this year’s race. So i agree w Conman, the staggered sleep at TA3 is probably it for the leaders.
Feb 27, 2021 7:09 PM # 
All Toenails GT:
So looking at the splits. GoodN'uff was still biking quicker on CP 56 and 57, but AR GA got 3 min on them for 58. Chasing MRC is definitely making AR GA roll!
Feb 27, 2021 7:11 PM # 
All Toenails GT:
GoodN'uff definitely have an advantage of 4 person bike train. I know all 4 of the guys between MRC and AR GA are super strong cyclists... so they could work together to try and catch GoodN'uff, but its gonna be tough to do on a straight forward bike. GoodN'uff is so strong.
Feb 27, 2021 7:13 PM # 
Conman:
Just noticing that Good'Nuff spent a bunch of time (~25 extra minutes compared to dead-on nav.) hunting for CP59. With the trailing teams coming up on that spot shortly, this could be where they reel in some of the time.
Feb 27, 2021 7:33 PM # 
Conman:
CP59 has some instructions that are hard to understand without context. Are they required to take three photos at the CP or elsewhere nearby? Do they get the supplemental map at the WP or did they get it back at TA3? Seems like MRC and ARG either both went to a water fountain Southwest from the WP by the baseball fields or they were required to go that way for something else...like a photo?
Feb 27, 2021 8:10 PM # 
Conman:
Report from the Adventure Enablers race tracking team: "...Lots more work for teams to do out on the course today. A long ride to TA4 then an Ocourse with two maps. Teams must get an A and B point of the corresponding number to get a point. Ie two corresponding checkpoints to get the point. We are just finishing up talleying punch cards at TA3 then will be in the road to get to TA4. Its in the mid 80s today. Perfect day for a long ride."
Feb 27, 2021 8:36 PM # 
Conman:
Ok. So the extra tasks at CP59 made my time split / distance split discussion above a bit screwy. Revisiting: Good'Nuff hit CP60 at 13:14. ARG and MRC (almost certain they are traveling together at this point) will hit it at roughly 15:35 (a few moments from now). That's a gap of ~2:20...unchanged from before. The distance between them all is roughly 40 km now. That distance aligns reasonably well with the time, to my mind.
Feb 27, 2021 9:20 PM # 
thndrMATT:
party at CP61... 4 teams on the hunt for it including MRC/ARG
Feb 27, 2021 10:45 PM # 
thndrMATT:
Good Nuff will get at least part of the trek done with some light, everyone else all dahhhhkness all da time. Wonder if they go for the thickest/ugliest CP first...
Feb 27, 2021 10:54 PM # 
Conman:
Good'Nuff is now into TA4 and either resting or just refueling. Perhaps strategizing. They will not be able to clear this in daylight. They have 1 hour until sunset and then another ~30 min of waning light. This O' course could really be the decider. Who has their wits and the best night nav. skills?
Feb 27, 2021 11:00 PM # 
Conman:
This O' course will also be a good chance for rookie teams to squeeze in some additional points (and nav. practice) with more certainty about their ability to finish. The finish line is a much more quantifiable distance away at this point. "We have 7 hours? Let's go grab a few points before we hustle to the finish party."

It's also a chance for us dot watchers to see a lot more teams struggling with night nav. and doing donuts and such around checkpoints. Not that I'm hoping for that. I'd love to see teams killin' it out there and coming away with some new skills.
Feb 27, 2021 11:17 PM # 
Conman:
Good'Nuff is on the move after CP70A/B first. Assuming this is a rogaine style course where they can map a route and execute it...order of the CPs doesn't matter. Only special detail is you don't score a point unless you get both parts of each CP pair. We'll see if that's true soon enough.
Feb 28, 2021 12:01 AM # 
Conman:
Darkness has fallen in NE Florida. And, right on cue, Good'Nuff is struggling to find their second CP (65A) on this foot O'. I think I'm going to be riveted to this progress for a while...
Feb 28, 2021 12:04 AM # 
Conman:
Note on O' course CP collection: If we can depend on the actions of Good'Nuff, there is not a requirement to do the paired CP together. They first bagged 70A and then went on to 65A. This is what I expected for a traditional rogaine-style course.
Feb 28, 2021 12:16 AM # 
fuzzylines:
Have the final trekking leg maps been posted anywhere? I can only find the 1:50k maps without checkpoints on them.
Feb 28, 2021 12:20 AM # 
Conman:
Nope - pretty sure they will remain unshared until after all teams have reached TA4, or maybe even after TA4 closes at 0800 tomorrow. We just have to subsist with the tracking maps (there are four different maps) which all come without orienteering level details.
Feb 28, 2021 12:22 AM # 
JayXC:
I expected the paired controls to be done in sequence. I’d be surprised if that wasn’t the case actually. Especially given the way they are layed out.
Feb 28, 2021 12:23 AM # 
Conman:
Sequenced pairs is def. not happening for Good'Nuff. Another example of a team not doing them in pairs is #137 This is the Way.
Feb 28, 2021 12:25 AM # 
Conman:
On second thought about the O' maps, maybe some kind soul at the TA can snap a few pictures and post them somewhere for us. Anyone? Bueller?
Feb 28, 2021 12:32 AM # 
Conman:
Can anyone explain why the whole convoy of teams headed for CP64 just turned tail and are now retracing their steps back toward that small town? Is that E-W road closed or something?
Feb 28, 2021 12:51 AM # 
fuzzylines:
Conman, I also don't understand the teams turning away from CP64. If you watch the replay, many teams seem to pause for quite a while at the major intersection before deciding. It doesn't save all that much time to continue north. Hmmm.
Feb 28, 2021 12:58 AM # 
Conman:
Another note: if there are clear skies in FL (not likely), the moon is nearly full tonight, which could help with the night nav.
Feb 28, 2021 1:02 AM # 
Dirtgirl:
Maybe it’s me, but it looks like the red line where the conga line is waiting goes through people’s back yards... which I would hesitate to take on a Florida night. It looks like they’re pausing there to try and figure out which way to go. I’m in TA4 waiting on my wife to do the O-course... I looked at her track, but it doesn’t show how she got thru that particular section.
Feb 28, 2021 1:02 AM # 
Dirtgirl:
I went to try and snap a photo of the o course maps, but she had already left on the trek. And she mentioned that there is very little difference between night and day nav, because of the utter lack of features (she’s a terrain navigator, though).
Feb 28, 2021 1:21 AM # 
SnackOnTheMove:
Dirtgirl: please give her high fives! She is doing awesome!
Feb 28, 2021 1:30 AM # 
All Toenails GT:
Looks like the maps doesn't quite match up to what's going on at that intersection before 64. It has quite a few dotted lines that don't quite make sense. Bones is over shooting too.
Feb 28, 2021 1:36 AM # 
silkychrome:
whoa, we have a TA volunteer ALSO contributing to this thread!?! amazing! yay Dirtgirl!
Feb 28, 2021 3:45 AM # 
thndrMATT:
Good Nuff could put it in cruise control at this point, this trekking section ended up significantly shorter than the other since they could attack in any order. Will be done wayyy before sunrise I reckon.
Feb 28, 2021 3:52 AM # 
Conman:
Agreed. They could even get an hour sleep if they felt the need for it.
Feb 28, 2021 4:22 AM # 
Conman:
Strong Machine just pulling in to TA4.

Missed that Bones arrived earlier and is already out and about collecting CPs.

These O' maps must be better resolution and have more details for this area; teams are navigating much more efficiently than seems possible if they were trying to find all these same controls using the 1:50k main race map for this area.
Feb 28, 2021 7:13 AM # 
Conman:
Less than 1 hour to the finish for the Good'Nuff crew after a stellar race. Too bad it's middle of the night, but that's pretty typical, eh?
Feb 28, 2021 7:55 AM # 
Conman:
At just before 3am local time, after 64 hours and about 33 minutes of non-stop racing, Good'Nuff finished the race having fully cleared the course and claimed the top spot in the Coed class and overall. Truly an amazing performance, with few errors and several moments of remarkable excellence. I can't say how much of their success was due to home field advantage, but it was almost certainly an advantage. Well done!
Feb 28, 2021 8:14 AM # 
Conman:
~15 minutes later, MRC has returned to TA4 with a presumably complete punchcard. They have a straightforward path the finish from here and a healthy lead over ARGeorgia, who still has 4 CPs to collect on this O' course. Is isn't over, but their odds of claiming the top Open division spot and clearing the entire course are very high now.
Feb 28, 2021 9:12 AM # 
Conman:
Uh oh. I was just going to sign off and see that MRC has a problem of some sort. They have turned back toward TA4 after getting about 6 km away. Hope they're both okay.

EDIT: They've stopped not far from where they turned around. Maybe a bike mechanical?
Feb 28, 2021 9:18 AM # 
Conman:
Poor Strong Machine! They are going in circles trying to find CP68B. While they were at it, the Chickpoints have made a beeline from the highway straight to the CP and moved on. Banging my head on the desk!!!

EDIT: I think (?) SM bailed out. Maybe they'll go take a nap and come back a bit refreshed in an hour or two?
Feb 28, 2021 12:39 PM # 
thndrMATT:
There was an accident involving one of the teams on the way to the finish, the entire race was shut down about 0545. :(
Feb 28, 2021 12:50 PM # 
Stark RavingMad:
From ARGEORGIA. Hope everyone is ok!
Argeorgia
25 mins ·
We can confirm that an incident involving a participant in the Sea to Sea race occurred today. Safety of all participants and crew on the event remain our highest priority, and all racers have been evacuated from the course at this time.
We are liaising with emergency services, and further information will be released as soon as possible.
Feb 28, 2021 12:56 PM # 
All Toenails GT:
do we know what team??
Feb 28, 2021 1:26 PM # 
Bash:
:( If anyone knows, they probably won’t mention it here until the family knows what happened. Has anyone heard about teams who are OK for sure? Maybe some of our Attackpoint connections?
Feb 28, 2021 4:26 PM # 
Conman:
Strong Machine posted that their team is okay and has been taken to a hotel.

Also, Good'Nuff and about 1 dozen other teams had already finished the event. Presumably they were all at the hotel resting and eating. I suspect all of these teams were not involved in the incident, but can't be sure at this point.

Edit: Team Kate and Team AdvoKate (two teams traveling together as a team of 5) were on the highway when the race was stopped. They are apparently okay, per a post by one of their members.
Feb 28, 2021 4:33 PM # 
Conman:
Local News. Forewarning: it's tragic.
Feb 28, 2021 6:16 PM # 
Bash:
Devastating.
Feb 28, 2021 7:12 PM # 
Conman:
Just trying to process what has happened and recognizing a coincidence: the news reports indicate that the accident occurred just before the time that Good'Nuff was crossing the finish line. I watched a video of the team at the finish taken by the RD with other race mgmt and media folks nearby. It's awful to think of the EMS activity and response that was in progress while the race officials were completely unaware.
Feb 28, 2021 10:30 PM # 
thndrMATT:
Since the news report linked above did list the hometowns/ages, it appears to corroborate with what I noticed this morning, that team 121 Gears and Beers (1M/2F team) tracker stopped at the time/site of the accident and was later pinged at a hospital in Jacksonville. There are two lanes in each direction on that section of divided highway, even with a ~1 foot shoulder there you'd think there'd be plenty of room to move over for cyclists. What a truly unfortunate and horrific circumstance.
Mar 1, 2021 2:26 AM # 
Conman:
Additional info about the racers involved in the accident.
Mar 1, 2021 3:29 AM # 
StrongMachine:
USARA's statement here:
Tonight the adventure racing community comes together to process a tragedy that unfolded at the Sea to Sea Expedition Race over the weekend. We at USARA offer care and support to those directly involved with this incident and with the racers, race directors, volunteers, and community members impacted by it.

In different ways, we are all experiencing the collective trauma that has emerged from this incident. We honor and respect everyone’s need to process and make sense of what happened. We encourage the AR community to unite in this moment of tragedy and be sensitive to each other’s needs and those of the family and friends of the racers impacted, especially in online discussions.

Finally, USARA is here to provide support in any way we can. We have already been in touch with the race organization in Florida. If there is anything we as an organization can do for you, please reach out to us at info@usara.com.
Mar 1, 2021 11:00 AM # 
Work4justice:
I would say here on the ground we are all still processing. I plan to write a race report, but that will probably not get posted until after I have had a chance to sort. It’s just awful what happened.
Mar 1, 2021 3:52 PM # 
Conman:
Go Fund Me site for the families. Have not verified the integrity of this effort, but it looks legitimate. Contribute at your own discretion.
Mar 1, 2021 4:29 PM # 
StrongMachine:
I have contacted the creator for more info. Will report back once I hear how the creator knows or is affiliated with the affected parties.
Mar 1, 2021 4:29 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Wishing my best to you, Work4, and everyone else involved in the race dealing with this first-hand.

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