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Discussion: Nordic Islands Adventure Race

in: Adventure Racing; General

Aug 10, 2018 5:19 PM # 
Bash:
Ready for another ARWS dot watching adventure? It starts Sunday at 12 noon Stockholm time (6 hrs later than Toronto/New York) and it sounds out of the ordinary.

From racer James Galipeau: "This will be an epic 6-day journey that will start with a rappel from the roof of our hotel in downtown Stockholm (how cool is that!!) and we will make our way to Finland via the Aland Islands. The race will feature some amazing race legs, including a 230km bike stage, an 84km swimrun, kayaking across the Baltic Sea, and close to 100km of packrafting.

The race will have live coverage starting at noon (Swedish time) on Sunday, Aug 12th. I will be racing with team WildernessTraverse.com, which consists of my longtime teammates, Harper Forbes, Pete Cameron, and Leanne Mueller."

Although they don't log on AP anymore, their AP handles are Relentless (James), Harps, Phatty (Pete) and Leanimal. Obviously, I'll be cheering for the Canadian team. :) My paddling jacket and deck compass will be making the journey across the Baltic Sea with them! You can choose your favourite team from this list.

Here are some coverage links. I'll expand this list when other direct links become available like the tracking map, leaderboard, etc.

Race website
This site includes newsletters, schedule, logistics, estimated leg times, etc. Very useful info for following the race. I found this chart in the News section.
Race Legs, Logistics and Time Estimates

Live Coverage
Tracking Map
Route Map

Nordic Islands AR Facebook
ARWS Facebook
Sleepmonsters articles
Sleepmonsters Facebook
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Aug 11, 2018 10:10 AM # 
Bash:
Harps’ bike won’t be arriving before the race. :(
https://www.sleepmonsters.com/races.php?article_id...

“Björn Rydvall, team captain of Swedish team Haglöfs Silva said he hadn’t before explored Åland and was really looking forward to this. In typical Swedish modesty he deflected any attention on his team (world ranked number 7) and credited the strength and depth of the field, in particular Estonian Ace Adventure (world ranked 5th) and Swedish Armed Forces Adventure Team (world ranked 6th).”
Aug 11, 2018 10:21 AM # 
Bash:
Update from a personal AP log: Harps’ bike box was stuck in Iceland and the next flight wasn’t going to Stockholm until Sunday. He managed to get it put on a different carrier so it should arrive before the race. Good thing, as there is other important gear stuffed into the box - wetsuit, shoes, helmet etc.
Aug 11, 2018 3:31 PM # 
Bash:
Update from James on Team WildernessTraverse.com:

“Very crazy day yesterday getting ready for the www.nordicislandsar.com race. Harper's bike didn't arrive from Iceland, so he spent the better part of 6 hours on the phone trying to get someone to help him get his bike to Sweden. The airline was quick to offer to ship his bike on their next flight - which would arrive 30 minutes before our race start on Sunday! After countless phone calls (most of them repetitive and unhelpful) he finally managed to plead with someone in the baggage handling in Iceland to help him out by putting his bike on a flight with another airline.

Pete and Leanne just barely made their connection in Geneva and weren't sure if their gear would make it either. They landed in Stockholm at about 7pm last night and anxiously waited to see if their bikes and bags arrived. Luckily everything made it. But they kindly waited at the airport until about 11:30pm for Harper's bike to arrive - which it did! Today is gear organizing day. All the bikes are now ready to go. Off to lunch now.”
Aug 12, 2018 2:03 AM # 
Bash:
Team WildernessTraverse.com: Pete, Leanne, James and Harper
https://www.facebook.com/nordicislandsadventurerac...
Aug 12, 2018 2:04 AM # 
Bash:
The first 3 hours of the race will be broadcast live on local TV and online - on the Live Coverage page, I assume. It starts at 11:45 am Stockholm time.
Aug 12, 2018 10:50 AM # 
abiperk:
Wow, that swim/run looks epic!
Aug 12, 2018 12:04 PM # 
Bash:
They’re broadcasting the first part of the race on Facebook Live on their FB page - already in progress.
Aug 12, 2018 12:06 PM # 
Bash:
Estonians are leading ahead of Swedish Armed Forces at this *very* early stage.
Aug 12, 2018 12:53 PM # 
Bash:
They're doing a great job with the broadcast - a couple of field reporters and a studio where they're dot watching ("The Mexican team is still lost"), showing interview clips and and discussing upcoming race legs. It's really difficult to provide good AR coverage on the fly. It's not a finished production but that wouldn't be possible. Well done!
Aug 12, 2018 3:01 PM # 
GD44:
The live broadcast was fantastic! This could be a step change for AR (albeit it was in an urban city where communication is likely to be a lot easier).
Aug 13, 2018 12:09 AM # 
Carbon's Offset:
So glad Team Wilderness Traverse.com got their gear! We think we saw Leanimal and one or two of the guys come off the rappel!
Aug 13, 2018 12:39 AM # 
StrongMachine:
Ooo, it's tough not being at this race. Kateness and I visited Finland in May and I flew from Stockholm to Helsinki, and by chance drove over to Turku, where the finish will be. It gave me a
pretty good view of the whole course (granted, from about 25,000 feet).. ...looked very cool.

I wonder how much local knowledge of the terrain will play into this race. SAFAT, Sweco and the other Swedish teams are leading in their home turf, but Petri Forsman from Multisport.fi spends a lot of time training in Western Finland and I'm sure he has biked that entire final bike leg. Silver Eensaar from Estonia ACE has also done a lot of training there.
Aug 13, 2018 1:51 AM # 
silkychrome:
dang this is a most impressive start line:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmYE2X_lFJi/?taken-by=...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmYoe-pB1oX/?taken-by=...
Aug 13, 2018 2:02 AM # 
Bash:
Great photo!
Aug 13, 2018 2:26 AM # 
Bash:
At first light on Day 2, all teams are on the Leg 3 mountain bike ride.

Five teams are now on a Short Course skipping CPs 21-27 (as far as I can tell), including Mexican/American team Teenek Racing, one of only two North American teams.

At the front of the race, SAFAT is approaching CP33 with a 1-hour lead over the Estonians, who are about 10 minutes ahead of Sweco.

WildernessTraverse.com is currently in 14th place between CP28 and CP29.
Aug 13, 2018 2:33 AM # 
Bash:
I haven't found a lot of race news online although Sleepmonsters is reporting. Here's their article about the start.
https://www.sleepmonsters.com/races.php?article_id...

Anyone found other good source(s)? I've been updating the first post in this thread as I find useful links.

Video of the start
https://www.facebook.com/arworldseries/videos/vb.2...
Aug 13, 2018 9:31 AM # 
Sovijarvi:
What is going on - Silva and ACE turned around and are returning to TA3...?
Aug 13, 2018 9:50 AM # 
Sovijarvi:
...aaand SAFAT is back at Märket, CP37. Sweco and GAT stopped in the island.

Went through all the forecasts, satellite images for weather etc.

Seems that race is stopped for now... any official comments anywhere? pics/video about the conditions at sea?
Aug 13, 2018 10:03 AM # 
Sovijarvi:
Race is stopped due the high wave conditions, expect ferry transport, to where - TBC.
Aug 13, 2018 10:37 AM # 
Ifor:
That was always going to be the challenge with this route. Any wind and you will get a good bit of swell and those are serious crossings about 10km between some of the islands and I don't think they are high so you would not see your destination setting off. Look at the SAFAT route to Märket half way there before they spotted where they wanted to be and corrected the line. You would not want to be trying it at night unless you were very confident.

Looks like they are getting a list at the moment towards the end of the kayak.
Aug 13, 2018 10:50 AM # 
Sovijarvi:
Yeah - saw the ACE's video and guys were commenting that wave conditions got out of hands. Good call.

Expecting the race continue from TA4 with swim-run section.
Aug 13, 2018 11:49 AM # 
'Bent:
That section where they had to climb the packrafts up the rope ladder over the dam then throw in the rafts and leap down into the water on the other side was pretty cool, but looked tough.
(Catching up on video a bit late)
Aug 13, 2018 12:43 PM # 
Bash:
The Baltic Sea crossing looked tougher! Too bad but I doubt many teams are disappointed. Figuring out a fair way to handle race timing is going to be nearly impossible. (I’m a recent survivor of an AR jury experience - still having nightmares!) ;)
Aug 13, 2018 12:54 PM # 
Bash:
“Kayak leg canceled for safety reasons!

Our competitors were on their way to cross the Baltic Sea, however, as the wind picked up, the sea has become too rough and dangerous. Safety is our number one priority and thus the crossing is canceled. Our safety crew had already collected the teams that were on the water and everyone was brought back to land. Teams will now take the Eckrö Linjen ferry to Aland. This will be a welcomed time for relaxing after 24 hours of intense racing.”
Aug 13, 2018 12:55 PM # 
Bash:
SAFAT talks about it.
https://www.facebook.com/nordicislandsadventurerac...
Aug 13, 2018 1:42 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
In the video, some teams carried their packrafts up the Hammarby ski hill and others didn’t. Were the rules not clear, or did they choose to do this to avoid backtracking to retrieve their packrafts?
Aug 13, 2018 3:29 PM # 
margusl:
Ifor - /../ Look at the SAFAT route to Märket half way there before they spotted where they wanted to be and corrected the line /../ .

My guess is that their route was more or less intentional - they probably have proper sea charts for that kayak leg and while tracking map is quite blank, there's actually a line of sea marks forming kind of an arc from Understen to Märketthat, correction point seems to be at or really close to Märketskallen lighthouse.

Chart by Navionics - https://webapp.navionics.com/?lang=en#boating@9&am...
Aug 13, 2018 7:58 PM # 
carbon:
Does anyone know what is going on with WT (#21)? They have not moved since the re-start of the first group. Maybe they are sleeping or maybe they left their tracker behind....
Aug 14, 2018 2:32 AM # 
Bash:
Not sure what was going on then but WT is moving now. What I can't figure out is why they're on the Short Course. It appears they took the ferry from near CP34 without making it to CP35/TA3 but there are several Long Course teams who did the same thing, e.g. Pacaraid. Once organizers cancelled the kayak section it looks like they redirected them to the ferry from CP34.
Aug 14, 2018 2:57 AM # 
Bash:
Here is Sleepmonsters on the kayak cancellation.
https://www.sleepmonsters.com/races.php?article_id...

"To keep the race as fair as possible teams will have a time adjustment added to their finish time to account for the time they were behind the lead team as they arrived into TA3 at Singö."

That's a reasonable compromise but there's no way to level the playing field. The five lead teams get no credit for the 4-5 hours they paddled in rough conditions but that took its toll. Sleepmonsters mentioned that a member of Team Greener Adventures got very cold on the paddle and the team has slowed down as a result.
Aug 14, 2018 3:57 AM # 
Bash:
I just heard from Cara, James' girlfriend, who is volunteering at the race. She answered Carbon's question. Team WildernessTraverse.com had put two of their swimrun wetsuits into their TA3 bin but they were redirected to the ferry before TA3 and then they had to wait 4 hours for that bin to arrive at TA4. I'm guessing that a couple of them may have been thinking of wearing the wetsuits on the kayak leg.

I wrote organizers to ask why WT.com would be on the Short Course when there were 4 Long Course teams that also missed TA3 after being sent directly to the ferry. I don't know if it will stick but the leaderboard has been updated and WT.com is back on the Long Course again. It looks like organizers may not be assigning time adjustments to teams that did not start in the 1st wave.
Aug 14, 2018 7:26 AM # 
rocky33:
Thank you Bash!
Aug 14, 2018 11:08 AM # 
Bash:
The race has changed time zones! It’s an hour later in Finland, i.e. 7 hours later than Toronto/New York. (In case anyone else gets confused by leaderboard times!)
Aug 14, 2018 11:20 AM # 
Bash:
It looks like WildernessTraverse.com has cracked the top 10 although I’m not sure the leaderboard rankings from 8th-11th are all accurate with the time adjustments right now.

I’ll be helping Mom set up her new apartment today so please post some updates here so I can take surreptitious glances at my phone! :)
Aug 14, 2018 1:58 PM # 
carbon:
Thanks for the update Bash! What a bummer about the wait for the wet suits. It would have been fun to see WT traverse re-start with wave 1, but they are moving well and it's fun to see them climb up the ranking.
Aug 14, 2018 4:39 PM # 
wokitoki:
I thought I read a post that WT was among 9 teams shuttled forward on the Leg 3 Mountain Bike to ensure they were on the last ferry
Aug 14, 2018 7:34 PM # 
StrongMachine:
From the official ARWS coverage:


"For teams further back in the field, the open fire inside the traditional viking Longhouse was a warm welcome at Transition Area 5 at the end of the SwimRun leg – many chose to sleep a couple of hours on the fur lined benches adorning the building. Canadian team WildernessTraverse.com was not one of these however, team Captain Pete Cameron ushered his team past the fire and was overhead saying “The course won’t finish itself!”
Aug 14, 2018 7:55 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
That's sooooo Phatty! ;)
Aug 14, 2018 8:21 PM # 
carbon:
Check out the tracking board right now! It looks to me like team #12 Agde Raid Adventure didn't get CP59. If this is on purpose so that they make cut-offs that I'm unaware of, that's one thing, but if they just missed it WT may catch them if they nail the CPs here!
Aug 14, 2018 9:15 PM # 
wokitoki:
WT also skipped it.
Aug 14, 2018 9:19 PM # 
carbon:
Yeah, but they just jumped up on the leader board to 9th. I'm dying to find out what is going on behind the scenes with time credits, placings, time cut-offs etc. Fun little race within the race to follow!
Aug 15, 2018 5:39 PM # 
Bash:
Sleepmonsters Facebook has published some of the maps including the final set a few hours ago. What a cool area for navigation! They're expecting the winners to come in around midnight local time, which is a few hours away.
https://www.facebook.com/SleepMonsters/
Aug 15, 2018 5:54 PM # 
Conman:
The best maps I've ever seen for a race, including the ancient maps for the pre- and post- race city O' courses. Those are so cool!
Aug 15, 2018 6:24 PM # 
JayXC:
Their ‘regular’ maps are equivalent to most o-course maps. Their ancient o-maps are similar to our USGS maps, lol!
Aug 15, 2018 7:04 PM # 
Bash:
True. :)

Now that I'm back on my computer, I see the former "Timing" menu item (leaderboard) has been renamed to "Unofficial". Having managed a number of real time AR leaderboards, I'd say that is always the correct title!

As SAFAT arrives on the outskirts of Turku at 22:00, the Estonians are 20 minutes behind + 80 penalty minutes, if I understand the unofficial leaderboard correctly.
Aug 15, 2018 7:09 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Pretty close race at the end here! That final foot-o should be pretty straightforward, even with the old map. It's all along the river and the town is nicely laid out on a grid. As long as SAFAT has any footspeed left, they should hold off ACE.
Aug 15, 2018 7:11 PM # 
Bash:
With 80 penalty minutes to be added to the Estonians' time, SAFAT will win but I'm sure they'd like the honour of crossing the line first!
Aug 15, 2018 7:11 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Though I forgot about the penalty minutes for ACE. SAFAT can coast, though it would be nice for them to finish first.

Amazing how the front two teams have distanced themselves from Haglofs Silva...does anyone know what the penalty difference is between them and Multisport.fi?
Aug 15, 2018 7:12 PM # 
Bash:
3rd place Haglöfs Silva is about 4 hrs behind SAFAT + 108 penalty minutes, so these two teams have really distanced themselves from the pack.
Aug 15, 2018 7:12 PM # 
Bash:
We're typing at the same time and thinking the same things, StrongMachine! :)
Aug 15, 2018 7:13 PM # 
Bash:
Multisport.fi has 143 penalty minutes compared to 108 minutes for Haglöfs Silva.
Aug 15, 2018 7:15 PM # 
Bash:
The last team is off the kayak section - the all-female team, Downtown Camper.
Aug 15, 2018 8:08 PM # 
carbon:
The leader board shows the Estonian team beating the Swedes to CP92.....
Aug 15, 2018 8:15 PM # 
carbon:
I can't remember, but maybe they are using the old style maps again.....in which case the Swedes would have more trouble navigating than they did in Sthlm. Most Swedes know the old town of Sthlm really well but not so much Turku.
Aug 15, 2018 8:31 PM # 
carbon:
Looks like SAFAT is skipping CP92. Does anyone know the time penalty for a missed CP in this final section? Maybe they have a big enough buffer.
Aug 15, 2018 8:34 PM # 
carbon:
I think SAFAT actually found CP92 and that the map tracker is just off.
Aug 15, 2018 8:37 PM # 
carbon:
Or not: https://www.facebook.com/SleepMonsters/
Aug 15, 2018 8:42 PM # 
GD44:
SAFAT's CP checklist shows that they have collected CP92 but the leaderboard doesn't. Their breadcrumb has gone to it so they must have got it.

ACE to cross the finish line first then - party poopers!
Aug 15, 2018 8:53 PM # 
Bash:
Both teams across the line now and SAFAT takes the win over the Estonians!
Aug 15, 2018 8:56 PM # 
Bash:
I don't see SAFAT's breadcrumb at CP92 but their tracker could easily miss that.
Aug 15, 2018 8:59 PM # 
Bash:
The Estonians crossed the finish line 12.5 minutes ahead of SAFAT.
Aug 15, 2018 9:02 PM # 
Bash:
Haglöfs Silva is now 4.5 hrs from the finish line if they move at SAFAT's pace. They have about 90 minutes on 4th place Multisport.fi minus 35 penalty minutes (the difference between the teams' penalties).
Aug 15, 2018 9:13 PM # 
carbon:
I think SAFAT is on the move again. Perhaps going back to find CP92?
Aug 15, 2018 9:21 PM # 
Conman:
It appears the SAFAT missed 92...they have just run back out and punched that CP. Wonder what the final time will be ... it's going to be very close between them and Estonia!
Aug 15, 2018 9:26 PM # 
Conman:
Wow...looking at the times, SAFAT may just squeak in with a bit of time to spare to stay in front of Estonia's time (with 80 min time penalty). They have to finish by 00:59:40 and are moving back to the finish now at 00:23. Estimate they'll finish by 00:40. Whoa! That's a tight finish after ~85 hours of racing!
Aug 15, 2018 9:30 PM # 
Bash:
Yikes!!!
Aug 15, 2018 9:32 PM # 
Bash:
As a navigator, my stomach just lurched in sympathy.
Aug 15, 2018 9:36 PM # 
Bash:
SAFAT isn't the only team backtracking. WT turned around for some reason and are now back to where they were 1 hour ago.
Aug 15, 2018 9:41 PM # 
carbon:
The WT backtrack is a bit strange as there is no CP in that area.
Aug 15, 2018 9:50 PM # 
Conman:
Re: WT backtrack: has anyone checked the maps for one of those compulsory brackets that indicate a route that must be taken? There were lots of those on the maps for the packraft stage.
Aug 15, 2018 9:55 PM # 
Bash:
SAFAT takes the win - for real this time - and they're a little embarrassed. The final gap was 23 minutes.
https://www.sleepmonsters.com/video.php?video_id=7...
Aug 15, 2018 9:57 PM # 
Bash:
"I don't know how much of that is going to make it into the news footage but I'm certain we're going to get laughed at - either by those who know... or everybody." ;)
Aug 15, 2018 10:00 PM # 
Bash:
Here's their 1st finish.
https://www.sleepmonsters.com/video.php?video_id=7...
Aug 15, 2018 10:08 PM # 
Conman:
I looked at the maps posted by Sleepmonsters and there are not mandatory route elements that appear to have been missed by WT. I'm going to guess they passed a good spot for a sleep, then not long after decided they needed sleep and returned to the spot rather than sleeping in the bush with rain(?) and whatever else.
Aug 15, 2018 10:11 PM # 
Bash:
WT has stopped. From an aerial view, it appears there are buildings so Conman may have it right. Or maybe a pack raft problem?
Aug 15, 2018 10:12 PM # 
Conman:
I think WT are sleeping...here's where their dot is paused: https://goo.gl/maps/Y9YbqKEMZTD2
Aug 15, 2018 10:14 PM # 
Bash:
Weather is fine but it's dark so it's a good time to rest.
Aug 15, 2018 10:20 PM # 
Conman:
Looks like their closest competitor 22 Greener has also taken the opportunity for a kip, and quite close by. I bet neither team ever knows of this cooincidence.
Aug 15, 2018 10:29 PM # 
Bash:
Greener Adventure has been resting quite awhile. They're one of the 5 teams that started the first kayak section and one of their team members got really cold, which slowed them down. They have 113 penalty minutes and it appears that WT has none.
Aug 16, 2018 12:23 AM # 
Bash:
WT has been resting for 3 hrs now. The sun rises in 2.5 hrs so I'd expect them to start moving in the next hour or so.

The Greener Adventure Team has been stopped nearby for 9 hours!
Aug 16, 2018 12:34 AM # 
Conman:
WT is moving again.
Aug 16, 2018 12:44 AM # 
Bash:
Right on schedule! I'm sure Phatty was repeating his famous line: "This course isn't going to finish itself!" :D
Aug 16, 2018 2:07 AM # 
Bash:
Meanwhile back in the mangroves, 3rd place Haglöfs Silva is about to visit CP92 (hopefully) and finish the race at sunrise.
Aug 16, 2018 2:28 AM # 
Bash:
4th place Multisport.fi is on the outskirts of Turku. There's almost a 6-hr gap to 5th place Hamilton Adventure Racing. Sweco is less than an hour behind them with 121 fewer penalty minutes.
Aug 16, 2018 2:29 AM # 
Bash:
Photo of WT getting out of their kayak
https://www.facebook.com/SleepMonsters/photos/pcb....

Fun fact: Phatty invited Leanimal to do an adventure race as their first official date.
Aug 16, 2018 2:36 AM # 
Bash:
Additional fun fact while we wait for more race action: Phatty and Leanimal put on a family-friendly adventure race in the hours before their wedding at a summer camp. I was responsible for figuring out the results, which was fun because I got to make up categories, e.g. "Team With Baby".

The overall winners were Dave and Nuala Zietsma. Longtime AR fans may remember Dave as the captain of a successful Canadian EcoChallenge team who had his wedding ring cut off on TV after an injury.
Aug 16, 2018 2:50 AM # 
carbon:
I hope all is okay with #22, Greener AT. They have been stooped for a very long time.
Aug 16, 2018 2:53 AM # 
Bash:
They just started tracking at 5:30! But they haven't gone anywhere yet. At least someone has moved their tracker.

Haglöfs Silva has arrived safely at the finish in 3rd place and their GPS track proved their visit to CP92. :) Their track also shows the 90 minute period this morning that they'd probably rather forget.

Aug 16, 2018 4:31 AM # 
Conman:
Seeing as there are no CPs in that stretch, there must have been a mandatory passage that they missed somewhere in there. Or, they dropped their compass in the ocean and it took a few hours for it to come right again.
Aug 16, 2018 4:44 AM # 
Conman:
Looked it up: Yes, Silva missed two mandatory passages: one directly at the spot where they turned back to the East and the other at the spot where they turned back almost due West. I can only assume that they hadn't recalled/noticed that these were on the map until they got to the Eastern one, whereupon they checked to see if they had missed any and...the wacky track ensued.
Aug 16, 2018 4:57 AM # 
Bash:
It would have been a lot less trouble if they had skipped CP92 instead. ;)
Aug 16, 2018 5:01 AM # 
Bash:
The Greener Adventure Team is moving well on the course after their 11-hour break.
Aug 16, 2018 5:03 AM # 
Conman:
Actually, on the last O' section, Silva made a heart with their track in that little park...just to honor their good friends from SAFAT, I'm sure.
Aug 16, 2018 5:21 AM # 
Bash:
:)

WT is shown as 10th on the leaderboard after CP72 but if penalty minutes are applied as shown, they should be 7th now. We'll see what happens. Go, go, go!

Hamilton Adventure Team has gained a few hours after Sweco stopped at TA8 to sleep. Will their respective decisions pay off?
Aug 16, 2018 5:26 AM # 
Conman:
Hamilton might just skip CP92 in their sleep deprived stupor. It could happen...again.
Aug 16, 2018 5:29 AM # 
Conman:
Do you think that skipping CP59 will be ignored in the final ranking of the teams? WT and several other teams skipped it. Haven't done the homework about which others, however.
Aug 16, 2018 1:24 PM # 
carbon:
I was wondering the same thing Conman. CP59 may come in and play a role in the final placings.
Aug 16, 2018 1:37 PM # 
Bash:
Agreed, that may have something to do with the Unofficial status of the leaderboard. Organizers wouldn’t have much time to think through complex timing issues like that while the race is happening. Maybe a cut-off was introduced or perhaps CP59 was optional for some kind of extra credit?
Aug 16, 2018 3:35 PM # 
carbon:
I think WT may have missed CP73 as well. I'm not seeing any time stamps for that in their details.
Aug 16, 2018 4:33 PM # 
Conman:
I just discovered that Agde 12 of France, who finished hours ago, also missed CP59 and they are now below Fenix 23 who finished several hours after them. Also, I think I see now that a 60 min time penalty has been added to WT and perhaps also to Agde...probably for skipping CP59. I bet there was an option to skip this if teams wanted to get to the kayaks quicker (daylight?)
Aug 16, 2018 4:36 PM # 
carbon:
I suspect SWECO may see some adjustments too becasue it appears as if they missed CP77 and 78.
Aug 16, 2018 4:38 PM # 
Conman:
Carbon: I think you may be right about WT missing CP73. Their track definitely diverges from the route needed for the geofence to show that they grabbed that point. However, they do hit land several hundred meters North of the CP along the western shore of that island, then stall there for about 20 minutes. It is possible that their tracker was in a boat, and they ran out-and-back to the CP to punch without the tracker.
Aug 16, 2018 4:40 PM # 
carbon:
Yes, that is a good point. Fingers crossed.
Aug 16, 2018 5:09 PM # 
Bash:
That's what it looks like. They had plenty of time to run to CP73 and get back to their pack rafts. Geofencing is convenient but it can miss things like that.

WT now has a 180 minute penalty. They'll be the next team to finish in 3-4 hrs, possibly in 9th place although Greener Adventure is moving well and their penalty is smaller. Regardless, they've raced well!

Agde is back ahead of Fenix again, for whatever that's worth. I know from being on the other side that it's not over until it's over - and even then, it can take awhile to unravel the leaderboard spaghetti! Until organizers check the passports, they won't know for sure which CPs teams visited. And then there could be protests about time penalties/credits.

Prizes have only been announced for the top 3 teams and those rankings seem pretty clear, so hopefully racers will understand that organizers were faced with a complex, difficult situation where it will be impossible to make everyone 100% happy with penalties/credits. I know some racers find that kind of thing hard to accept though.
Aug 16, 2018 5:28 PM # 
Bender:
The penalties difference between WT and Greener is 67min ...meaning WT has to cross the line atleast 67min before Greener to stay ahead of them in the rankings.

Looking at the time difference at the last CP visited by both teams (CP80); WT punched it 69min before Greener ...only a 2min lead.

They are in a virtual neck and neck race without even knowing it! Go, go, go....
Aug 16, 2018 5:49 PM # 
Bash:
!!! :)
Aug 16, 2018 6:30 PM # 
Bash:
WT now has 300 penalty minutes now so they are probably destined to finish behind Greener Adventure. Interesting to see that a couple of teams who were on the Full Course late last night (my time zone) are now on the Short Course: Adeorun and Hamilton Adventure Team.
Aug 16, 2018 6:31 PM # 
Bash:
And the Short Course has been renamed "Missed CPs". So stay tuned...
Aug 16, 2018 6:39 PM # 
Bender:
Bike box didn't meet mandatory size
120 minutes added

...the SWE fix is in ;)
Aug 16, 2018 6:54 PM # 
JayXC:
They actually measured everyone's bike boxes??
Aug 16, 2018 7:03 PM # 
Bash:
Wow! Where can you see those details? I wonder if it has something to do with the size of box you can fly with.
Aug 16, 2018 7:04 PM # 
Bash:
Oh, I see - it's at the bottom of WT's Routes and Splits window.

Timing notes
Mandatory to paddle CP15 to CP16
120 minutes added
CP59 cancelled
60 minutes added
Bike box didn't meet mandatory size
120 minutes added
Aug 16, 2018 7:08 PM # 
Bender:
Curiosity got the better of me and it appears that the only teams assessed this penalty are international ones! ...perhaps there is some truth to my earlier quip.
Aug 16, 2018 7:08 PM # 
Bash:
...the SWE fix is in ;)

Ugh, I can't even laugh at that because I've seen firsthand that some racers really think that way.

Although there are a handful of teams with the bike box penalty, none of them from Sweden, so you may be on to something, lol!

My favourite penalty, though, is "Missing rune stone". (Teams Fenix and Nutrium)
Aug 16, 2018 7:13 PM # 
Bender:
...I feel you know me well enough Bash to know I'm certainly not one of "those racers"
Aug 16, 2018 7:14 PM # 
Bash:
Oh no, you're not. :)
Aug 16, 2018 7:15 PM # 
carbon:
Wow , a penalty for the bike box size. To me that is a bit too much. Having raced many races and helped in many, I fully understand the practical logistics of a race and managing equipment transport etc. but if the bike box size is that much of a concern, then I'd say you can't start the race with a box that doesn't meet the requirements. Maybe there is more to this story that we know at the moment.
Aug 16, 2018 7:21 PM # 
Bash:
Four teams got that penalty. Since none of them were Swedish, I wonder if teams flew in with bike boxes that their airlines would accept.
Aug 16, 2018 7:22 PM # 
JayXC:
The rules for the size of the boxes changed a few years ago with the new rules stating a smaller box. I have seen multiple instances over the last few years of people still using the old boxes. I have never seen anyone penalized for it.
Aug 16, 2018 7:29 PM # 
Bash:
Team WT has passed through the finish area and is now headed out on the 7 km run through town on the ancient map. Cara says they're in great spirits although Phatty's feet look sore.
Aug 16, 2018 7:33 PM # 
carbon:
Maybe they can ride their oversized bike box through town. I'm sure it has wheels and will fit all 4 of them. That should relieve the pain in Phatty's feet a little ;)
Aug 16, 2018 7:48 PM # 
carbon:
Team 18 What's Your Dream is off the water and can start their bike ride. They must be pretty happy to leave their pack rafts behind. They seemed done with the boats in the video that was posted earlier :)
Aug 16, 2018 7:50 PM # 
Bash:
:) Looks like WT is taking the scenic route to CP90. Be sure to visit CP92!
Aug 16, 2018 7:51 PM # 
carbon:
Ha ha, those final kilometers in a race are always so hard
Aug 16, 2018 7:53 PM # 
Bash:
In the dark...
Aug 16, 2018 7:54 PM # 
Bash:
Cara heard that two teams hopped on a ferry at some point and will be assessed penalties that may not yet be on the leaderboard. I'm guessing they're further back in the pack.
Aug 16, 2018 8:18 PM # 
Bash:
They're at CP92! :)
Aug 16, 2018 8:19 PM # 
Bender:
Okay ...bring it home kids!
Aug 16, 2018 8:19 PM # 
carbon:
:)
Aug 16, 2018 8:20 PM # 
Bash:
This is one split where they'll *crush* SAFAT!
Aug 16, 2018 8:22 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
Too exciting! Gotta get some work done, but can't stop watching, especially in the final minutes!
Aug 16, 2018 8:23 PM # 
Bender:
...so long as they don't miss the "Daisy" along the way. Last CP.

http://janirattya.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2017/...
Aug 16, 2018 8:23 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
C'mon Phatty, this race course isn't gonna finish itself ;)
I know the maps are old, but so are you, so you've got this!
Aug 16, 2018 8:25 PM # 
carbon:
Ha, nice Daisy! How can they miss it?!
Aug 16, 2018 8:28 PM # 
Bash:
That's a good final control! No hiding the flag in a pit behind the north side of a knoll. ;)
Aug 16, 2018 8:30 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
Yes, but at first the description of "beside the daisy" would make me apprehensive...
Aug 16, 2018 8:30 PM # 
carbon:
Bender is doing a fine job "navigating" from afar, providing detailed pictures of the check points!
Aug 16, 2018 8:36 PM # 
Bender:
I've basically lost my afternoon at the office getting familiar with the Finnish country side via streetview and whatever online maps I can dig up ;)

...now I can't leave until they cross the line!
Aug 16, 2018 8:36 PM # 
carbon:
:)
Aug 16, 2018 8:48 PM # 
Bash:
They've just passed The Daisy!
Aug 16, 2018 8:57 PM # 
Bender:
Thank you Phatty, Leanimal, Relentless and Harps for thinking of me and allowing me to leave the office by 5pm.

Congrats!
Aug 16, 2018 8:57 PM # 
Bash:
Yay, they're done! :)
Aug 16, 2018 8:59 PM # 
carbon:
Amazing! Well done WT! Can't wait to hear the stories!
Aug 16, 2018 9:01 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
Wooo hooo!!! Congrats WT!!! It looked like an incredible race, and you guys did AMAZING!! Love that you put the Canadian flag so high in the rankings!
Aug 16, 2018 9:01 PM # 
Bash:
Yes! Congratulations - really well done!
Aug 16, 2018 9:04 PM # 
Bash:
Greener Adventure is running around Turku on the ancient map. No chance they'll fritter away all those penalty minutes so it looks like it'll be 10th for WT.
Aug 16, 2018 9:07 PM # 
carbon:
Unless SWECO still gets penalty minutes for missing CP77 and 78.....although that may still not add up enough.
Aug 16, 2018 9:22 PM # 
Bash:
Good point. The race organization may not have checked all the passports yet. Sweco has a time bonus right now.
Aug 16, 2018 9:26 PM # 
carbon:
Oh, I miss racing!
Aug 16, 2018 9:28 PM # 
Conman:
Greener is currently running in circles near CP92 but hasn't found it...Could this be a repeat of SAFATs midnight on the city yesterday?
Aug 16, 2018 9:35 PM # 
Bash:
Oh no! Cara says WT looks very tired but happy. :)
Aug 16, 2018 9:37 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
Wasn't there a photo of Phatty before the race, looking tired? So racing just makes him look happier?
Aug 16, 2018 10:01 PM # 
Bash:
Yes, I think it does, CO. :)

Aug 17, 2018 2:35 AM # 
carbon:
Wow, WT, you guys look great!
Aug 17, 2018 2:45 AM # 
carbon:
#4 is approaching the finish now.
Aug 17, 2018 2:49 AM # 
carbon:
Only 5 teams remain on the pack raft leg, but they must start to sense how close they are to the TA now.
Aug 17, 2018 1:49 PM # 
carbon:
All teams are off the pack raft section this morning. Team #19 Downtown Camper are still going at it. Am amazing bunch of girls!
Aug 17, 2018 2:08 PM # 
Carbon's Offset:
Go Downtown Camper! Awesome!
Aug 17, 2018 2:41 PM # 
Bender:
Nice. Checking the remaining team's breadcrumb trails, looks like almost everyone is moving well through this last bike leg; although, "Whats Your Dream" seems to be slowing a little, perhaps a little sleepy after almost 5 days.

Oh how I'd love to be riding through some Scandi country side right about now. The roads and woods over there always seem so "groomed" and instill a sense of tranquility and relaxation ...even if you're bombing hard through them on foot or two wheels.
Aug 17, 2018 2:57 PM # 
carbon:
I hear you Bender. This is the first race in a while that has me itching to get back to expedition racing. I grew up in Sweden and have always wanted to do a race there. I'm not really sure why I haven't.
Aug 17, 2018 3:09 PM # 
Bash:
I'll look forward to cheering for you at next year's race, Carbon! :)
I wonder if they'll put on another one. This race seemed like a unique journey.
Aug 17, 2018 4:35 PM # 
Conman:
I'm wondering about how the Teenek team have endured. Their race started with trouble on the Stockholm O' course, they skipped a large section of the first bike leg, ended up on the last ferry to skip the first kayak, then fell behind and skipped part of the swim-run as well. They are not the lantern rouge exactly, but they sure have had a huge experience. They have perennial goof-ball JD Eskelsen from the US racing with them, which has to have been a blast!
Aug 18, 2018 3:06 AM # 
Conman:
The last teams are now thru and I have an observation to make that I'd love to hear some discussion about: this is the first expedition length race (ARWS and non-ARWS) I have witnessed in more than 5 years of regularly following events where there were ZERO teams that DNF'd and apparently zero racers that dropped out while their team continued on.

This race was big and clearly plenty difficult. So, how did this happen? What was unique about this race, the racers, the location, or race mgmt that made this possible?

Don't get me wrong, I think this is really fantastic. I just want to understand how it has happened just this once over so many years.
Aug 18, 2018 2:38 PM # 
Bash:
I was similarly impressed by Untamed NE, where there were almost no DNFs. One of the two DNF teams was a team of two where one member dropped out and the other joined a different team. The 2nd DNF team was turned back by strong currents on the paddle.

In my experience of working at HQ and listening to post-race stories from events I've done, most DNFs happen in situations where there is an option to not DNF, e.g. "We stopped and made a fire during a really cold night when we couldn't figure out where to go and we still had time to finish the race even though our ranking would be lower - but we were done."

A few factors contributing to low DNFs in general, not referencing any specific race (and not suggesting these are always a great idea):
- Short courses available if cut-offs are missed
- A liberal definition by the RD of what it takes to continue racing without a DNF, e.g. penalties for missed CPs rather than DNF, vehicle rides forward from the race organization incur a penalty rather than a DQ...
- Limited options for extraction if you drop out, i.e. it’s easier to keep racing than to wait for a ride
- Incredibly good luck with injuries, hypothermia, etc. Of course, this isn’t all luck. Good mandatory gear lists and pre-race info can help but anybody can fall off a mountain bike so you still need luck!
- Racer mindset: I’ve been thinking about this one a lot, given that we usually have more DNFs in 30 hours at Wilderness Traverse than we had in 5 days at Untamed. Racers have invested a lot in preparing for and traveling to an expedition race, and they know their teammates have done the same, so that probably helps to keep them on course. Some of the difference is training but I suspect a lot of the difference is mindset. It doesn’t bother people as much to drop out of an overnight race close to home. I’ve been wondering if we could do something more to discourage dropping out but I don’t know what it would be.
Aug 18, 2018 4:23 PM # 
Bash:
Another post-race thought: I'm sure a lot of the teams are currently reviewing the penalties and time credits for this race since almost everyone was affected. For the record, this race seemed really well organized and they faced huge challenges in administering time credits/penalties. Based on what I've seen from a distance (although no race reports yet), I would happily sign up for an event put on by this organization.

Sometimes time credits/penalties are unavoidable, e.g. in this case when teams were restarted together after the cancellation of the first paddle leg. Sure, they could have been held to recreate the appropriate time intervals but that would have held up volunteers who were probably needed more elsewhere. Also, the restart location may not have been an appropriate place for a group of teams to spend a long period of time.

Credits/penalties almost never level the playing field though, and that's supposed to be the whole point. Teams are often dissatisfied on both sides of the decision. Just some examples of what teams may be concerned about (based on what I've heard in the past as a race organizer):

- WT weren't aware of their penalties until the race ended. As spectators, we know their penalties were added late in the race, and it probably took organizers that long to sift through all the information while the race was on. However, in an ideal situation, teams should know where they stand relative to teams they see on the course. That is, they should know their own penalties/credits and they should know the penalties/credits of teams they may encounter. This allows them to plan appropriate sleep strategy, increase/decrease pace, etc.

As an organizer, this is often impossible, especially when there isn't time to figure out fair time adjustments on the fly. Sometimes it takes a lot of dot squinting to sort out a situation that wasn't anticipated. At HQ, there is rarely time for thoughtful consideration. Dot watching time is often spent keeping an eye on teams who might be in trouble, communicating with them directly when they call for help, finding volunteers to get to them, calculating how many bikes will need to be transported by what truck at what time, figuring out what time a particular volunteer team might be freed up to move to a new location. Etc., etc., etc.!! There isn't time for the recreational dot watching we do here. :)

Even in cases where penalties/credits are clearly stated in advance, e.g. a 1-hr penalty for a missing mandatory item, it is still hard to get that info to all teams who need to know, i.e. the team affected and all teams in their vicinity. I've done this sometimes but with poor communications and competing priorities, it's easy for this to happen late or not at all.

- You can't use time penalties/credits or leg cancellations to level the playing field exactly between teams who *did* something (visited a mountain top CP, paddled for 5 hours on a rough ocean, spent 3 hours looking for a missing CP flag) vs. teams who didn't do that thing. Team Greener Adventure was profoundly affected by their experience on the first kayak leg but the time adjustments were based on arrival time at the bike/kayak TA, so it's as if their paddle never happened. This was a reasonable compromise but their ranking took a big hit because the teams chasing them hadn't done that rough paddle.

There are other factors. A time adjustment isn't equivalent to spending that time racing on course, e.g. it may mean a team does a section in daylight vs. in the dark, or they get better/worse tides.

There are situations where credits/penalties are necessary but it's best to avoid them if possible. This may sound harsh but after seeing it enough times, I think time credits should not be awarded for dark zones, storms, etc. - situations for which Mother Nature is primarily responsible. Some teams will argue that they should be allowed to paddle Class 4 rapids in the dark but the RD gets to decide. Period.

When teams are stopped, they are getting a break from physical effort (albeit perhaps an unwanted one) and they may have access to gear bins and sometimes even stores and restaurants, so it doesn't level the playing field to just subtract that time from their race time. Teams that keep going non-stop have different conditions (e.g. dark/light), they're taking breaks on the clock (possibly in uncomfortable locations), they just have the gear/food they brought with them (unless they pass a store), and they can't see a team that might be "just behind" them based on arithmetic. Every situation is unique and teams on either side of the stop will be hard to please with time adjustments. Adventure sports are unpredictable and dependent on outdoor conditions; that's what we sign up for and if we get stopped for some reason, we need to accept that we could have avoided the stop by racing faster.

Where penalties can be served on the course safely, that's preferred so teams will know that the teams around them are racing them directly. Time credits are trickier. The race organization should probably credit teams whose bikes and gear bins are not delivered on time but that is approximate and you sure wouldn't want a race decided by a few minutes because of this. We can often complete some TA tasks (washroom break, refilling hydration bladders) without our bins. Also, it's rare to get exact times for this delay from the TA volunteers. They have too much else to do. As mentioned, teams racing in the vicinity of teams with credits should be informed, which may be difficult/impossible.

One suggestion for improvement in this case: The bike box size penalty could have been assigned before the race, maybe when there was still time for racers to borrow/buy/rent a different box. That penalty information could have been shared with all teams before the start so they would know which teams were carrying the penalty. I wonder if came up late because there was some additional cost to the race organization for transporting the bigger boxes on the ferry. It's strange that it arose so late but maybe it was one of those things that slipped down HQ's "to do" list.

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