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Discussion: Eco-Challenge

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Jun 7, 2018 7:34 PM # 
Bash:
It might be coming back!
https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/bear-grylls-mark-...
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Jun 7, 2018 7:49 PM # 
Bash:
They've got info on their website. You can sign up to receive an application. They're thinking the race will be in late 2019.
https://www.ecochallenge.com/
Jun 7, 2018 8:00 PM # 
JayXC:
Interesting timing.
Jun 7, 2018 10:30 PM # 
abiperk:
Curious to hear your thoughts on the interesting-ness, JayXC.
Jun 8, 2018 12:03 AM # 
JayXC:
Either they were clueless as to the potential conflict with PQ and or Worlds or they weren’t and did it on purpose to keep those with experience away.
Jun 8, 2018 12:24 AM # 
abiperk:
I wondered about that, too -- though broots pointed out that it says that they hope to start production in late 2019, but not specifically that the race would take place then. I'll be curious to learn morning as it unfolds.
Jun 8, 2018 3:07 AM # 
Bash:
From another article: "Once a television partner is secured, the project anticipates shooting in late 2019." Clearly, there are still some details to nail down so the timing could change. That said, they will be looking for teams with interesting TV stories to race alongside teams with experience so I doubt they care much about conflicts.
Jun 8, 2018 3:22 PM # 
jbrown:
Glad to see a thread has already started on this topic. Similar to abiperk, I'd assume pre-production, logistical planning (determining transport and access for the video crew), etc. could consume some time. Interested to see when they release the applications to the email list the are gathering.
Jun 8, 2018 8:08 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Sounds legit though!

Burnett and Grylls jointly commented: “Eco-Challenge is not a reality series, it’s a real expedition with a stopwatch. It’s extremely difficult and you will suffer. If you don’t want to suffer, don’t apply.”

Grylls added: “Eco-Challenge is the ultimate global survival-adventure race, against the elements, against the clock, and against some of the greatest extreme athletes the world has ever seen. I am so proud to have partnered with MGM Television and the legendary Mark Burnett to bring this incredible adventure series to the world. This is raw human endeavor at its most powerful.”

Source: http://worldscreen.com/tvusa/mark-burnett-bear-gry...
Jun 9, 2018 10:25 PM # 
legendaryrandy:
I don't think they will take teams. I think they will pick athletes and make teams out of them. They are looking at individuals to apply. Plus think of the drama when 4 people try to be a team. Disclaimer. This thought comes completely fact free.
Jun 10, 2018 12:46 PM # 
silkychrome:
my theory is the same as Randy’s!
Jun 11, 2018 9:50 PM # 
silkychrome:
i wanted to make a list of the networks that Mark/Bear have worked with before:

Mark Burnett:
ESPN - Eco-Challenge 1995
The Discovery Channel - Eco-Challenge 1996-1999
USA Network - Eco-Challenge 2000-2002
FOX - The Casino 2004
NBC/ESPN/Versus/Epix - The Contender 2005
Amne$ia
Pirate Master
The Apprentice
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?
My Dad Is Better Than Your Dad
Bully Beatdown
ABC - Expedition Impossible 2011
The Bible
Spin Off
A.D. The Bible Continues
MTV - MTV Movie Awards 2007, 2008
ABC and CNBC - Shark Tank (directed an episode in 2018)
Jun 12, 2018 12:45 AM # 
silkychrome:
also:
Survivor season 36, Fiji (Mamanuca Islands), just aired final episode on TV
Survivor 37, filmed in Fiji, will air Fall 2018
Survivor 38, currently filming in Fiji, will air Spring 2019
Survivor 39, probably the last one?!?!?

and if production does actually get started for Eco-Challenge in late 2019, it would probably be somewhere warm-ish.
Sep 30, 2018 6:27 PM # 
silkychrome:
website was updated with TV partner : MGM Television

*edit 5min later* oh wait that is not a new development. oh well. if they are doing something in 2019 i would except some news soonish!
Oct 2, 2018 7:10 PM # 
Robsmith:
Here is the latest via some random website, so it must be true.
https://deadline.com/2018/10/mark-burnett-bear-gry...
Oct 2, 2018 7:50 PM # 
Bash:
That random link was shared in the Eco-Challenge reunion Facebook group by one of the exec producers, Lisa Hennessy, so it’s probably not fake news even though it looks suspect. :)
Oct 3, 2018 3:39 AM # 
Bash:
Sign up to compete or volunteer.
It sounds like they are making up the teams.
https://www.ecochallenge.com/
Oct 8, 2018 9:47 PM # 
Bash:
From Lisa Hennessy on Facebook today:

Hello friends - if you are interested in competing, volunteering or working on the race/TV production please sign up on www.EcoChallenge.com.

We will be sending newsletters out to the community with updated information.

COMPETITOR REGISTRATION WILL OPEN MID TO LATE NOVEMBER SO START FIGURING OUT WHO YOUR TEAMMATES WILL BE FOR THE COMEBACK RACE! IT WILL BE TEAMS OF 4. MIXED GENDER.
MORE INFORMATION TO COME VIA WWW.ECOCHALLENGE.COM.

Race will take place fall of next year. We will start crewing up in the Spring/Summer.
_______________________________

So it sounds like you *can* enter a team even though the current entry form only accepts individuals. Randy says they're hoping to announce their location in mid-November.
Nov 2, 2018 2:17 AM # 
StrongMachine:
Perhaps a preview from Mark Burnett on what is to come?

"I want the next race to have more of an Indiana Jones feel to it, more
problem-solving, navigating and high adventure...."

https://www.si.com/vault/2001/11/12/313839/you-sno...
Nov 17, 2018 4:30 PM # 
StrongMachine:
More coverage on the re-boot:

https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a25171085...

One question that hasn't really been asked too much is: how is this going to change AR? Will there be another boom? How can the sport - and particularly RDs - prepare and maximize the exposure?
Nov 26, 2018 10:00 PM # 
awentz:
The EcoChallenge Facebook page mentioned today that the 2019 race would be over 400 miles long! No other details were posted though.
Nov 28, 2018 4:09 PM # 
Bash:
Received today:
_____________________

Thank you for your interest in Eco-Challenge.

The Eco-Challenge community is truly a special one. We want to give a special shout out to all of you who have participated in past Eco-Challenges. For those of you who are new to Eco-Challenge, we welcome you to the family.

Below is a quick update on the next Eco-Challenge:

Eco-Challenge 2019 is planned to take place in September, 2019.

Our plan is to announce the host country in early December. At the time we announce the 2019 host country, we plan to also open team registration. We recommend you registering your team on the day it opens.

Teams must consist of 4 co-ed members with a 1-person assistant crew (5 people total) racing under 1 country flag (which means 3 out of 4 competitors must be citizens or continuous legal residents for a period of 5 years in the country you wish to race under; the assistance crew member may be any nationality). Please start getting your teams formed now. If you do not have your full team by the time we open registration, you will still be able to register and add other members later.

If you are interested in volunteering, we will provide specific information about that in the future.

Please make sure to follow Eco-Challenge on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for real time updates.

Below is a link to the most recent Eco-Challenge trailer. Please feel free to share with your friends on social media.

We will send out another more detailed newsletter and alert you on social media the week before team registration officially opens.

Many thanks!

The Eco-Challenge Team
Nov 28, 2018 4:10 PM # 
Bash:
Nov 28, 2018 6:17 PM # 
JayXC:
Nothing in my inbox.
Nov 28, 2018 6:23 PM # 
Bash:
Hmm, I've seen this in a few Facebook posts already. Maybe the "U" surnames will get their messages later? ;) Or maybe it's in spam?
Nov 28, 2018 7:08 PM # 
abiperk:
I didn't get anything today either. Went and signed up a second time on the site, just in case it didn't go through the first time.
Nov 28, 2018 7:29 PM # 
StrongMachine:
I received mine at 11:06 a.m.

Replying to a question I asked on Facebook under the SleepMonsters post on the topic, Eco Challenge said they will be announcing location and registration cost in December.
Nov 28, 2018 7:34 PM # 
Bash:
I received mine at 11:06 a.m. as well - to two different email IDs since I signed up for both the racer and volunteer email lists, and they wouldn't allow the same ID to be used twice.
Nov 28, 2018 10:55 PM # 
afsheen:
Got mine.
Nov 28, 2018 11:30 PM # 
Hammer:
So if the trailer is any indicator expects lots of ropes and horses and camels ;-)
Nov 29, 2018 1:17 AM # 
bugeater:
likewise...didn''t get anything.
Nov 29, 2018 3:51 AM # 
legendaryrandy:
Check your Promotion tabs. Or spam. Sometimes Gmail looks at these mass emails and decides they are spam.
Nov 29, 2018 3:51 AM # 
mayer22:
I got mine at the same time and know others that did as well.
Nov 29, 2018 3:01 PM # 
broots:
I did not get it...but thankfully I have all of you to tell me what I'm missing. As it's not in the cards for me/us schedule wise, I'm not bothered, BUT abiperk and I are excited for the following three things to unfold:

1) financial structure. Any changed to the model with major money there for tv? Any chance teams are funded? (i'm guessing no, but will they have to pay 10-12,500$ again?)

2) Where is it?????

3) Most interesting to me: I know SO many of us want to and are going to apply. That said, unlike most XPDs when most/all teams that want to race get to race, I'm curious to see how this goes. My gut is there are going to be a fair number of disappointed applicants from the AR world. I'm guessing, but I'm assuming they will purposefully take teams from the following categories:

1) Elite international teams: The Seagates and Columbias of the world.
2) Accomplished teams that boast big race experience and success but maybe aren't Seagate, series champions, etc. (these two categories of teams will give them the competition aspect)
3) savvy veteran teams who won't be competing for accolades but who will be good teams to follow
4) Teams with great human interest stories (Alex Flynn coming back to AR for more? A family of four? Newly engaged? who knows!)
5) Celebrities? Rey (they had Anakin already...)? Survivor champion(s) (seems like a no-brainer)? More playboy bunnies? Ex-Presidents?
6) Teams with impressive competition histories, just not in AR: Ironman, triathlon...rugby...
7) They ALWAYS had at least one navy seal/military team. Got to have them.
8) Total rookies who have a chance...
9) Total rookies who DON'T have a chance (these last two categories may be the single most important ones for them to draw from for the success of the program with the mass public)...and we should want lots of #8 if we want this to translate into growth in the sport at large. (which might be the SINGLE most interesting thing to me: will this trickle down to all of us at the regional level in a measurable way? Will RDs land more sponsor money? Will RDs have to cap race entry?)
10) The grizzled veterans who haven't raced in a decade or more: Mike Kloser (I know, he just raced, but I mean he races on a team that is trying to gun for a top finish despite their time away), Ian Adamson, etc.
11) Teams that break the gender norms of the sport (and more?). Very plausible these teams are found in the above 10 categories, but maybe not.

So, let's say ten categories. Let's assume they will have a field between 50 and 100 teams for logistical purposes. Really, going past 100 just sounds too big. But let's go there. This would mean ten teams per category.

Certain categories will be more represented than others. If I'm betting, I would say the categories with the most teams will be #1(maybe#2 with it) (call them the pros), #8/9 (the bread and butter story telling/entertainment/rooting teams), and #4. Let's say they take 50+% of the field from these groups.

This would leave maybe 5-10 slots for each of the other groups.

And a lot of experienced adventure racers who have to then wait another 5-6 months for Amazon to release it!

And FINALLY...will we be able to dot watch????? I can see this going both ways: get more interest up, BUT do they try to keep the actual race results and happenings under wraps for the sake of tv?!
Nov 29, 2018 3:42 PM # 
JayXC:
I was thinking along the same lines actually. A course which challenges the top teams will have a significant number of DNFs from your groups 4-11 making it much easier to manage from a logistics standpoint, especially if it’s a long race.
Nov 29, 2018 4:55 PM # 
Bash:
Interesting - great analysis. I don't believe we will have dots to watch. In talking with past participants, I've heard about suspected and confirmed meddling with the race, e.g. moving a popular team forward to keep them in the story. I guess it could be legitimate if they are short coursed on the leaderboard but those technicalities may not come up on TV. The sad truth is, the general public wants to see a few Nathan Fa'avaes on the show but they're not that interested in AR as a competitive sport. In addition to top teams, they'll want to follow a team of cancer survivors, a team with a movie star, a team of popular athletes from other sports, a team of rookies and a team that argues all the time. So the producers have to figure out a way to keep those people in the story as long as possible. So I'd guess the dots will be kept private.
Nov 29, 2018 5:56 PM # 
broots:
Yeah, it's funny. For all the hoopla and reverence the AR community shows for the "golden age" of AR (and I have done this too), most of us didn't really participate. When I do come across folks who did or who were more plugged in then, the stories are often not that kind.

The primary issue I have heard:
My understanding is that there were two races within the race: there was the race for the money. The top teams raced a race and finished it as designed under their own power. So, we all got to know Ian A, John Howard, Kloser, Robyn Benincase, Rebecca Rush, etc. as they were always battling it our for the podium and as these superhumans.
And then there was everybody else. Some of those teams had a true race experience, but others were there for tv and hence were allowed extra help, time, assistance, vehicles, etc. I don't recall the last time a RD bombed in on a helicopter to give ME tips...

Grant Killian made this point as well, not about Eco but the Eco mania that came with it: in the wake of the race, the big iconic local series like HiTec, Balance Bar, etc. emerged. And while they were huge and very successful economically, they were not what most of us think of or love as AR. Long lines of people in lines, following each other to CPs with minimal, basic nav that didn't even matter because there were so many people following each other. Etc. A bit of "careful what you wish for"...

Don't get me wrong, I am SUPER excited about this as a racer and RD. I am genuinely bummed I can't even consider applying for it. I am salivating over the opportunity to draw more people out to our races at Rootstock to share the sport with more people. But I'm also not 100% sure it's a simple win for us, and I hope that it doesn't change adventure racing.

Abiperk sent this along to me:
http://www.rogueadventure.com/the-return-of-eco-ch...

It's a thoughtful, in depth rumination about this. Hits on some of the issues we are discussing but also raises others. One of the interesting side notes is, how does this affect the global AR scene? Eco didn't compete against many other big races back in the day. Now, someone is going to pay a price.

PQ has discovered this reality in a real, hard way, I think. When there are 10-15 major races to choose from and you are asking teams to shell out 10,000 + expenses (+support crew for Eco), will people do it when they can pay half that (or a FIFTH) for a well run, beautiful event somewhere else?

I suspect with Eco, the answer will be yes. At least more so than what we have seen with PQ. BUT, it will be interesting to see. I know ARWS/ARWC has its issues and its detractors, but the fact is, they are usually good races and sometimes great. They likely will be BETTER events for beginners and even many seasoned but less elite teams, and I suspect there will be more genuine care for the racers' experience and integrity for the event top to bottom. Yes, they have their controversies and RD based issues, but what race doesn't? They likely won't have some of that same behind-the-scenes drama that Eco will almost assuredly add to the mix.

Will teams choose ITERA over Eco? Is Croatia doomed? Will they go to ARWC instead?

Honestly, as I said, I think most teams wanting to do Eco won't get in. So, I suspect ARWS will be OK. Might lose a few teams from ARWC. But maybe there has been communication between the two? There is plenty of time between Eco and ARWC for top teams to do both. My main concern is that our sport (at least in the US, but I know ARWS has faced issues like this too) tends to get rather divisive and polarized about HOW to run ARs. I just hope this ends up being a truly positive development that genuinely helps the sport at all levels across the globe rather than being another wedge that divides racers, RDs, and organizations.

I guess we will have a clearer picture in the next couple of weeks when we get the details!
Nov 29, 2018 7:50 PM # 
legendaryrandy:
My 1cents worth. I think this is mostly hoping on my part but, I think there will be dot watching and social media during the race. I don't see anyway to embargo the race until its on TV. You can do that with a show like Survivor with big money, a small cast and veteran crew. Not with a bunch of adventure racers that want to brag. Also ratings aren't a thing with digital shows, no one will ever know how may people watch the finished show, some algorithm might. My guess is that the social media is more important than the finished project.
I don't know why Mark Burnett is bringing it back, (its fun?), but I think Amazon is interested because it brings a BIG time producer to it's platform.

Or everyone goes in to lock down and we don't hear anything until it airs.

FYI. I have reached out to some of the production folks to be on the podcast when they can talk about the race. How can they pass up talking to 10s of people all ready in the choir.
Nov 29, 2018 7:56 PM # 
broots:
Tell them they'll have two loyal listeners in Philly, legendary.

And I agree: "I don't know why Mark Burnett is bringing it back".

I've wondered the same thing, and I really have no idea. As much as I want to think it will bring sponsor money back in for all, I'm dubious there is data suggesting this will be a huge money maker now vs. then...I don't know this, but I got the sense that in the 2000s, a couple of things happened: economic downturn. Belts got tighter. But maybe also a realization that there wasn't great return for throwing all this money at the race or most/any of the teams.

Are we in a different place now vs. then? Is the landscape much better for AR now on tv or on the ground? Dubious about that.

I have wondered if MB would come back simply because it's where he started and maybe it is a passion of his. There are always more millions to make for a guy like him, but maybe he has enough in the bank that he feels ready to take on this passion project again?

That's where my money lies: this is for the love of the game rather than a clear expectation of fortune and glory for MB or Amazon...
Nov 29, 2018 8:14 PM # 
afsheen:
Is this Mark Burnett's baby? Or is it really Bear Grylls', and he asked for another name brand (Burnett) to get more interest from people? Grylls runs survival camps and events, and so maybe this new Eco is him trying to restart an event series but with his spin and Burnett's blessing.
Nov 29, 2018 9:10 PM # 
Bash:
Lots of great questions and not many answers at this point.

Like Broots, I'd like to believe MB is coming back because Eco was an early passion of his but who knows? He's worth almost half a billion dollars in his late 50s so he can do what he wants; he doesn't need every show to be wildly profitable. With his wife, he has also produced a TV miniseries called The Bible, inspired by their Christian faith. MB has a close friend in the White House so working on a new show will be a nice distraction from cringing at his friend's outrageous tweets.

For everyone's sake, I just hope that once the event details are announced, things move quickly. If potential volunteers and racers are kept hanging too long, it will hurt other events in addition to complicating people's travel/training plans. Most applicants won't get in but maybe they'll look for another exped race in the same timeframe after pulling an interested team together.
Nov 29, 2018 9:53 PM # 
Bash:
I recently found this article from 2000 about the five Canadian teams who were going to EcoChallenge Borneo. It's cool to see that out of 20 racers from across the country, two of them have raced Wilderness Traverse a number of times including 2018. In fact, Scott Ford was on the winning team this year, eighteen years (and four kids) after racing Eco. Great job!
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/eco-challen...
Dec 12, 2018 4:13 PM # 
Dirtgirl:
Email today:
Hello Eco-Challenge Community!

Our plan is to announce our host country AND open registration for teams on December 13, 2018. We recommend that interested parties register their team as soon as registration opens.

In anticipation of registration day, here is some important information to allow for adequate preparation.

Eco-Challenge 2019 is scheduled to take place in September 2019. The course is expected to be approximately 400 miles in length and take between 10 - 14 days to finish.

How are the teams made up?

Each race team will be made up of 4 competitors and must have at least 1 member of the opposite sex. Each team must have 1 assistant crew member that can be of any gender.

There will be one team captain per team.

Each team must race under a single national flag. This means that at least three out of four competitors must be citizens (or continuous legal residents for a period of 5 years) of the country which your team intends to race for. The assistant crew member may be any nationality.

Are assistant crews required?

Yes. One assistant crew member is required for each team (and no more than one assistant crew member per team is permitted).

What is the role of the assistant crew member?

During the race, the assistant crew member is responsible for driving their own assistant crew vehicle between designated transition areas. They must make their own camp and prepare their own meals.

The assistant crew member will provide all customary support services to their team, such as supplying competitors with fresh clothing, food, water and other supplies. The crew member must be prepared to maintain and organize all team equipment including mountain bikes and climbing gear.

When does registration open and how long will it be open for?

Our plan is to open Team Registration on December 13, 2018 at 12:00PM Pacific Standard Time and it will close on January 18, 2019 at 18:00 Pacific Standard Time.

Eco-Challenge Registration Process

Choose a team captain. The team captain will complete and submit the Competitor Registration Form (including information for the other three competitors and the assistant crew member) and agree to the Terms of Registration on behalf of the team. If all team members or the assistant crew member are not known at the time of registration, please still register. Team members can be added later.

Make a team video. After submitting the Competitor Registration Form, each team will need to make a 5 to 10-minute long video as part of the registration process. A team’s registration submission will not be complete until we receive this video. More information on the video and what should be included will be provided during registration.

Please note that all competitors and the assistant crew member must be at least 18 years old (or the legal age of adulthood where you live, if older than 18) by September 1, 2019. The assistant crew member must hold a valid driver’s license and be capable and confident when driving on rough road surfaces.

Registration is NOT first-come / first served. Once registration has closed, we will select the teams that will be invited to participate.

Team Sponsorship

Information on sponsorship rules will be provided in early 2019.


More information will be provided on registration day and we encourage you to follow Eco-Challenge on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for real time updates.

If you are interested in volunteering, we will provide specific information about that in the future.

Below is a link to the most recent Eco-Challenge trailer. Please feel free to share with your friends on social media.

We can’t wait for you to find out our 2019 host country!

Many thanks!

The Eco-Challenge Team
Dec 13, 2018 6:37 PM # 
Work4justice:
Looks like it's Fiji!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2018/12/13/...
Dec 13, 2018 6:45 PM # 
Dirtgirl:
The website has also been updated:
https://www.ecochallenge.com/index.php
Dec 13, 2018 6:56 PM # 
Bash:
Fiji was always a good guess. Not only was the most recent Eco-Challenge held there but it looks like Survivor may stay there permanently for various reasons including financial incentives.
https://survivingtribal.com/2017/09/14/survivor-st...
Dec 13, 2018 7:02 PM # 
Bash:
Here is Michael Sero's assessment on the AR Cooperative FB group:

Eco-Challenge 2019
Entry $5,000.00
Plane Tickets avg price from Chicago 1250 x 5 + $6,250.
Car Rental for team for race since supported race est. $2,500.00 need a van to move bikes etc..
Food, Hotels, etc.... let's say $2,500.00
So far $13,750. Let's just budget this to 20,000 to be safe.
400 miles 10 to 15 days to finish. Seems like a real slow course to me.
In Prime Season of Adventure racing in USA.
As much as I'd like to see this happen, I don't see many of the top teams/racers in the USA/Canada going to this. Most have full-time jobs and can't take almost a month off. [Note: Dates are listed as Sept. 5-25.] I'd be interested in hearing other's thoughts on this.
There is a $100,000 first place prize........
Dec 13, 2018 7:02 PM # 
silkychrome:
$5,000 per team entry fee.

on the application you need to provide:
occcupation & employer
social media account names (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter)
military experience, if any
previous AR & other race experience, if any
Dec 13, 2018 7:06 PM # 
silkychrome:
just for fun, compare to other reality TV experiences which, to my knowledge, don't charge the participants anything. some of the travel/hotels are even covered as well.

let's just say a former Survivor castaway was considering trying AR. buy why would they when Eco-Challenge costs $5k/person and they got into Survivor for free?
Dec 13, 2018 7:12 PM # 
abiperk:
@silkychrome, I've thought about that, too. I've been assuming that there will be some comped/sponsored slots available for those sorts of "special interest" teams (Survivor alums, playboy bunnies, whatever...).
Dec 13, 2018 7:42 PM # 
Bash:
According to Sleepmonsters, the entry fee was $14,500 in 2002 so there is some concession to the fact that the folks at Eco-Challenge are a lot richer now, lol!
Dec 13, 2018 8:35 PM # 
Bash:
Not coincidentally, ARWS issued a press release promoting their 2019 schedule.
https://arworldseries.com/ar-world-series-offers-w...
Dec 13, 2018 9:36 PM # 
Bash:
Entry fee includes:

Hotel accommodations: 2 rooms per team; 3 nights before and 3 nights after.

Limited repatriation insurance for 5 team members.

Certain medical assistance during race.

Invitation (for 5 team members) to the Opening Party.

Invitation (for 5 team members) to the Closing Party.

GEAR: Race maps (hard copy/paper maps for compass navigation), GPS tracking device, race passport, emergency radio (or similar device).

Transfer to/from Nadi airport to hotel.
Dec 13, 2018 9:37 PM # 
Bash:
Entry fee does not include:

Flights to and from location (Eco-Challenge is working on an airline deal and will keep teams updated along the way).

All race equipment and gear unless otherwise noted.

Accommodations outside of what is already provided. Teams who finish early or withdraw must either camp at the finish line or procure their own hotel accommodations until the provided accommodations begin.

Assistance crew vehicle rental and all related items (e.g., insurance, fuel).

Meals / food.

Bikes & bike boxes.

Gear boxes.

Team uniform.
Dec 13, 2018 10:08 PM # 
broots:
As XPDs go, it's actually a much better deal than I expected...minus the support crew/rental car bit.

5000 is a fair rate for an expedition race these deals. yes, higher than some, but more affordable than others (PQ...cough, cough...), and you're getting a truly unique race experience. That whole argument of bang for the buck: FOURTEEN days of the arguably (maybe not even arguably) the best supported race ever put on in AR in regards to resources and crew. It may not necessarily be a RACE that will make everyone happy, mind you, but still. 5-6 nights of lodging, likely an "old school" race experience...the value of the final film is arguably priceless.

Wish it was during the summer so we could throw our hat in, though...for me... I'd rather race somewhere other than Fiji. As I recall, a lot of people were rather ill for a rather long time after the last one in Fiji. I will be watching from my couch!! Tropics just are not my first choice.

I really hope this is more than a one off, and I hope they don't just settle into a annual Fijan race. Hope they rotate around. Please schedule some in the summers for teachers (I know MB and Bear are reading this;))

Finally: I tend to disagree that we won't see many North American teams going for it. Honestly they may not get IN (see my speculation as to who they will choose and why above; with a 50 team limit, this means even fewer slots for people we all know), but I think if teams can work the schedule, they will try.

And finally...100,000....Good luck ARWS. Thankfully, it's not THAT close to ARWC, so I suspect some top teams will be up for both...or at least the three that win the money:)
Dec 13, 2018 10:29 PM # 
Bash:
On the bright side, I think Eco-Challenge Borneo was harder on racers than Fiji.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/14/sports/extreme-...
Dec 13, 2018 11:05 PM # 
Bash:
Rob Howard's take on it.
https://www.sleepmonsters.com/news.php?article_id=...
Dec 14, 2018 1:17 AM # 
abiperk:
Oh, those leeches...
Dec 14, 2018 1:43 AM # 
broots:
My new #1 dream for this as I sit here all giddy, reading and hearing about all my friends hoping to go and just wishing I could watch all of it unfold...

I would LOVE it if MB made an episode about the process. The scouting, the drafting of teams, the race design, the behind the scenes for the crew. In some ways more than the race itself, I find myself just wanting to be a fly on the wall, watching as MB and his team make decisions about who gets to race, what they think and want the course to do to the teams. I think it would be amazing as a racer to see that side of RDing for a race this unique and heralded.

If anyone has a connection, tell them they should make that episode. Please.
Dec 14, 2018 2:44 AM # 
StrongMachine:
@RandyErickson, use your media clout to talk to Ian Adamson (seems to be involved) and Nathan Fa'avae (must be involved, right?) to get all the details!
Dec 14, 2018 2:57 AM # 
legendaryrandy:
Ian, yes. Nathan,no. But I think he could be talked into racing
Dec 14, 2018 3:13 AM # 
StrongMachine:
I would think $100,000 does a lot of talking on its own.
Dec 14, 2018 5:02 PM # 
Bash:
Copying my comment from a FB discussion on the same topic:

Producers will get $250,000 from entry fees, which will not cover much of their cost. Amongst other things, the entry fee covers 6 nights X 2 hotel rooms per team. airport transportation, GPS tracking and probably a banquet or two. I suppose they know racers will pay it but I think it's a token entry fee intended to ensure teams show up. If a team has spent $5,000, most people will ensure they have time off work, they'll look for replacements if someone gets injured, etc.

As a registrar for many events over the years, I've seen that teams with free entries are more likely to just drop out if something comes up compared to teams who paid for their entry.
Dec 14, 2018 5:18 PM # 
abiperk:
Broots and I had this exact conversation yesterday. I think MB did his research to find out what the relative cost of expedition racing is right now, and he set the Eco price based on that -- not because he needs the money for production, but to weed out the the applicants who won't take it seriously.
Dec 15, 2018 3:54 PM # 
abiperk:
Anyone else thinking Kloser and Lance Armstrong will be putting together a team?

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/lanc...
Dec 15, 2018 5:13 PM # 
Bash:
Interesting thought!
Dec 15, 2018 11:53 PM # 
Joe:
I would love to be support crew for that team.
Dec 16, 2018 3:35 AM # 
Bash:
Lance is used to getting his flat tires changed *really* quickly so you'd better start practising now.
Dec 16, 2018 4:38 PM # 
StrongMachine:
Also, you may want to practice your IV needle insertion techniques :)

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