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Discussion: 2017 CBT/ARWC

in: Adventure Racing; General

Jan 13, 2017 6:46 PM # 
Here's the initial lineup, following today's initial registration period (which sold out in 2 minutes):

361 Adventures Lemaster, Shawn Coed USA United States of America
Adventure Enablers Pameijer, Fritjof Coed USA United States of America
CanadaAR Long, Nathalie Coed CAN Canada
Journey Racing Ferrington, Katie Coed USA United States of America
KoliFit Nash-Underwood, Celia Coed USA United States of America
Lupine Racing, USA Pearson, Paula Coed USA United States of America
McGinley Orthopedics McGinley, Joseph Coed USA United States of America
Moxie Racers Galligan, Sarah Coed IRL Ireland
Nord Vrai Cary, Scott Coed USA United States of America
Nw Zealand AR Smith, Isla Coed NZL New Zealand
NYARA Courain, Aaron Coed USA United States of America
Off-Course Navigation Hebert, Jim Coed USA United States of America
Orion Cochran, Molly Coed USA United States of America
Peaklife Sport Fjellstad, Jo Inge Coed NOR Norway
Quest AR Caseria, Dusty Coed USA United States of America
Rev3Adventure Mason, Britt Coed USA United States of America
Rootstock Racing Perkiss, Abby Coed USA United States of America
Silent Chasers Nicolas, Phil Coed USA United States of America
SOS Garrison, Michael Coed USA United States of America
Storm Racing Laughren, Chris Coed CAN Canada
Team DART VanGorder, Jennifer Coed USA United States of America
Teton Adventure Racers Broughton, Abby Coed USA United States of America
Tumbleweeds Gerrits, Adrian Male USA United States of America
Untamed New England Urckfitz, Jason Coed USA United States of America
USWE Adventure Team Westerberg, Jacob Coed NOR Norway
WEDALI Korsch, Emily Coed USA United States of America
Jan 13, 2017 7:34 PM # 
I only registered because i need to go back and find my paddle and lost gear from last year =]
Jan 25, 2017 1:28 AM # 
Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but if you check out the team list on the registration page (not the actual CT page), the list of lottery teams registered has expanded from 26 to 30 (not including Seagate and AMK). All four new teams are elite level teams (Yoga, Radys, Naturex, and Haglofs). Wondering if this means Rev3 managed to expand their permit, something they have suggested they might try to do or something they would do if they had to modify their course.

Any other theories or knowledge on the matter?

Jan 25, 2017 3:02 AM # 
oh yes...we have noticed!
Jan 26, 2017 1:58 PM # 
now East Wind is in!

broots i am wondering if their A-course permits were not allowed and now that they're on the B-course, they can have more teams? or some lottery teams dropped but aren't deleted on the runsignup roster?
Jan 26, 2017 2:50 PM # 
Yeah, we wondered the same thing. Apparently Randy's interviewing Mark Harris next week, so we may get some insights there.
Jan 26, 2017 3:38 PM # 
I'm thinking that must be the explanation. Unless they convinced the "A Route" to allow 5 more teams. If it's a sign the B Course is on, then I'd think we would see another 5 teams added to this list shortly.

That said, I'm still curious for this reason. Here are the new 5 and their rankings:

5 (Naturex), 7 (Haglofs), 13 (Radys), 15 (Yoga), 56 (East Wind)

I am fairly confident that at least two teams ranked between Yoga and East Wind (Tecnu, Happy Mutant) are on the waitlist as well. Now, the fine print of the announcements regarding the waiting list noted that the RDs have the right to essentially consider resumes and admit teams to essentially diversify the field.

Still, I'm surprised East Wind was the next team in based off the rankings. I for one think it's great they are on the list and I have no problem with the decision if it's based in diversifying.

I also would imagine there are several other top level teams on this waitlist that haven't appeared yet: Columbia, SWECO, Merrell, ACE, SAFAT, various other teams from France and eastern Europe, some of the Aussie teams, Tecnu. All of them are ranked highly, all would diversify the field in regards to international teams. And several of them don't seem lined up to race any qualifiers from what is currently online (notably, for example, neither Merrell nor Painted Wold appears on the XPD Africa roster), so I'd think they would be on the waitlist...

Interesting indeed!
Jan 26, 2017 4:18 PM # 
Has anyone been able to see the wait list?

Agreed very interesting how they are adding teams to the list.
Jan 26, 2017 4:35 PM # 
No, they haven't published it. And considering how they are running it (taking into consideration rankings and resumes rather than order of sign ups) I don't think it matters. The only interesting thing would be to see how many international teams, and strong ones, have added their name. The more such teams that do add their names, the slimmer chance non-elite teams have of making it off the list.

At least that's how I see it.

24 more hours and technically teams that haven't paid up have their slots released?
Jan 26, 2017 4:43 PM # 
Also, this is a hybrid of sorts, and I know they have changed their approach after seeing how this all unfolded.

The precedent is Godzone. My understanding is Godzone opens registration, but they don't notify everyone right away allowing them to look at the applications. If I understand correctly, this allows them to balance the local teams with international teams, strong or not. I think this makes good sense for races that you know are going to sell out immediately.

From what I've heard, for this race, they didn't think it was going to sell out so quickly and get messy like it has. I don't think there is a perfect solution to it, and I think overall they have handled it as well as they can without having a flux capacitor...
Jan 26, 2017 5:30 PM # 
at least this year, ARWC reg didn't open during another ARWS race!
Jan 26, 2017 6:47 PM # 
@broots- That may be what happened (relative to Godzone registration) but it certainly didn't increase the diversity of the field based on the newly released team list. There is 5 teams from outside NZ.
Jan 26, 2017 8:06 PM # 
JayXC, I know, and what I described is what I recall from a few years back. I'm not sure about this year, but I also took notice of the dearth of international teams. Personally, I think it's because 1) it costs a ton to get to NZ and race and 2) I think for international teams they have a smaller window to race and qualify.

For any international team hoping to qualify for Worlds or perhaps win the prize money for ARWC, Godzone is probably the worst race to travel to. The homefield advantage there not to mention the fact that NZ is loaded with AR talent, known and unknown, probably scares teams away if their goal is to win a slot at ARWC.

I love that they are doing ARWC during the summer for selfish reasons as a teacher, but I know it made scheduling the qualifiers really problematic. Tons of overlap so fewer chances to race and qualify.

All that said, I don't know. Maybe they had a lot of other teams from overseas try to get in, but from what I know of Warren, I think they just didn't attract the foreign applications this year for one reason or another. I think he wants non-Kiwi teams there. So I'm guessing the list reflects a lack of applications rather than something about their selection process.
Jan 26, 2017 10:09 PM # 
Looks like Swedish Armed Forces Adventure Team was just added to the list.
Jan 26, 2017 10:52 PM # 
And Merrell!
Jan 26, 2017 11:25 PM # 
Feels like the race has already started...who is where? How'd they get there? :)
Jan 27, 2017 1:56 PM # 
Roster is shaping up.
Jan 27, 2017 4:21 PM # 
11 more spots
Mar 13, 2017 5:57 PM # 
more entries!, Haku AR, Mountain Race Company, Outnorth Adventure, The Yukon Wild, and USMES added this weekend.

roster via
361 Adventures
Adventure Enablers - new
East Wind
Estonian ACE Adventure
Haglofs Silva
Haku AR - new
Journey Racing
Lupine Racing
McGinley Orthopedics
Merrell Adventure Addicts
Mountain Race Company - new
Moxie Racers
New Zealand AR
Nord Vrai
Off-Course Navigation
Outnorth Adventure - new
Peaklife Sport
Quest AR
Rootstock Racing
R’ADYS Team Switzerland
Silent Chasers
Storm Racing
Sweco Adventure Team
Swedish Armed Forces
Teton Adventure Racers
The Yukon Wild - new...also the "new Tecnu" ??
Untamed New England
USMES - new
USWE Adventure Team
Yoga Slackers
Mar 13, 2017 7:27 PM # 
Yes, Yukon Wild is the new name for the 2016 version of Team Tecnu, anchored by Denise and Greg McHale.

EDIT: Hmm, I see they are listed as a U.S. team on the ARWC team list, which wouldn't be possible if both Denise and Greg are racing. However, Doug Judson is listed as the captain so maybe they haven't figured out their team roster yet.
Mar 13, 2017 8:15 PM # 
I think Trump heard that the Yukon is amazing and he wanted to make Alaska "more huge", so he got out his coloring book and redrew the Alaska border, 'cause the morons have been getting it wrong (previous depictions of the boundary have been bad... very bad). This is tremendous news for Denise and Greg... they no longer have to worry about racing as Canadian Lightweights.

.. couldn't help myself ;-)
Mar 15, 2017 9:39 PM # 
^^ :D thx FB :)

also added to roster today is MONARX.

now we just need to hear who from GodZone and Guarani is coming!
Mar 16, 2017 5:23 PM # 
How many teams are we up to? 66?
Mar 16, 2017 5:42 PM # 
When I talked to Tiki Tours they said they are planning to come. I am talking to Cyanosis next week.
Mar 16, 2017 5:46 PM # 
I believe 44 including AMK. This according to the roster on the Run Sign Up page, which isn't always 100% the same as the roster on the CT homepage. Still, that's close.

Does not include teams from Godzone or Guarani.

And I think they said their hard cap is now 68 teams?

So, technically they have 23 slots reserved for the qualifiers AND winners of the Epic and the ARES championship. Means 1 lottery slot is currently open. And then some handful more as some teams decline the invite from the ARWS events.

I'd venture we'll see another 5-7 lottery teams admitted. Still some high caliber teams who aren't on the list including Godzone and Columbia to name a couple quickly.

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